Re: OSLIST Digest - 20 Jun 2005 to 21 Jun 2005 (#2005-169)

David Smith Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:54:52 +1000

Please ignore previous email sent in error. Apologies!
David

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There are 23 messages totalling 4999 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

 1. this day merits a "C"
 2. leverage points (2)
 3. test
 4. test again (2)
 5. Hello from Sweden (2)
 6. Surprise
 7. Reflections at 100--# 26
 8. Desperately seeking... (2)
 9. SV: Hello from Sweden
10. OS research
11. OST Practitioner in Indonesia (3)
12. turkish at osworld.org web page
13. Timing for really large groups (5)

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:10:09 +0400
From:    Raffi Aftandelian <ra...@bk.ru>
Subject: this day merits a "C"

Dear colleagues,

This Saturday I began running a Working with OST Workshop, which runs
over two weekends. Most of the first day of the workshop was a one day
OST meeting on "Creating Healthy Organizations: issues and
opportunities." For this first day, "external" people were invited so
that we would get a critical mass necessary to create the dynamic of
an OST meeting.

It was a very fruitful meeting, judging from the number of reports,
the titles of the reports, the notes, and the hum. We had 3 concurrent
sessions the whole time. I wish I had opened a fourth session...

Among session topics:
1. Good illnesses: are growing pains necessary?
2. What is a healthy organization after all?
3. Creativity: to be or not to be creative?
4. How to integrate the 4 principles into organizational order
5. Organizations are miracles (session held twice)
6. Big hairy goals or our small comfortable world
7. What will happen on Monday?

The variety of people in the group gathered also really surprised me:experienced corporate

trainers, manager of an internet trainings portal, 2 management
consultants, director of one of Russia's oldest organizations working

with children with Down's Syndrome, a hairdresser/entrepreneur, apsychologist who works with

families in crisis, and many other folks.

At the closing circle there were many who were quite eager to continue
the conversation.

One comment in the closing circle really intrigued and troubled me:

"I give today a "C." This came from the corporate trainer with whom
I'd met with over lunch a week ago and explained OST in detail, the
facilitator's role in detail.

I followed up with him post-meeting by email and some interesting
things emerged.

As I gave thought to his "C", I ventured that in fact he really gave
himself a "C" and that it would be foolish to give OST a "C." He
agreed.

I also ventured that I think we are at a point in human development
where giving feedback is, well, passe. That perhaps it makes more
sense to ask appropriate, well-timed questions that invite as opposed
to tell.

What he also said is that he didn't like the fact that so much time
went to explaining things to people in sessions and that he could've
found the answers to many things himself.

What drove him mad, though, was that there was one participant who
would come to those groups where he was comfortable. With the arrival
of that participant, everyone else would begin to leave, himself
included. Loss of control?

I have never heard such comments from participants about OST meetingsbefore. I am

inclined to think that what this participant saw (or maybe hasn't
chosen to see yet) were some parts of himself that he didn't like.

He later shared that the meeting just didn't grab him. I beg to
differ. Grab it did, but not in a place he would prefer to be grabbed.

His "C" at first really troubled me. I felt alone for a whole night. I
realized that in my work with OST, no matter what people say I have to
continue. I know I am a fool, just accept it and move on.

Raffi


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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:51:06 EDT
From:    everett...@aol.com
Subject: Re: leverage points

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In a message dated 6/20/05 8:32:55 PM, therese.fitzpatr...@gmail.comwrites:

Thanks for your thoughts, Paul.=A0 I disagree with what you wrote about
'right' being judgmental in this principle. . . . but, hey, it's all
good for me.
=20

Well, that's good Therese, because I had no conscious thought about'right'=20being a judgment in what I wrote (right as in correct people). Now, itmig=

ht=20

have been there unconsciously, I can grant that, but I'd like the sentenceo=

r=20

phrase that said that to you, please. Because I don't see my postings ont=

he=20

Listserv for some reason. They don't show up on my list of posts fromthe=20Listserv. Joelle gets them on her screen name but I don't ever seethem=20

again.    =20

Further, I thought I was writing about how people are chosen and the=20

principle being about the decision-maker who decides to choose. I don'tse=

e any=20

judgment in that about 'right' people. Just a study that discovered thema=

in=20

criteria for being chosen: known by, and proximate to, the decision-maker.=20=

So,=20
give me a hand because I find myself mainly in agreement with your=20
dissertation and thus am a bit mystified.

It occurs to me we may be talking about two different posts? Or anold=20post?? Not one from today. I posted twice today and haven't posted ina=20=

while=20
before that.   So, help me out, on the board or privately, please.

Sincerely,

Paul=20

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In a message dated 6/20/05 8:32:55 PM, therese.fitzpatr...@gmail.comwrites:=

<BR>
<BR>
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hts, Paul.=A0 I disagree with what you wrote about<BR>
'right' being judgmental in this principle. . . . but, hey, it's all<BR>
good for me.<BR>

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Well, that's good Therese, because I had no conscious thought about'right'=20=being a judgment in what I wrote (right as in correct people).  Now,i=t might have been there unconsciously, I can grant that, but I'd like these=ntence or phrase that said that to you, please.  Because I don't seem=y postings on the Listserv for some reason.  They don't show up onmy=20=list of posts from the Listserv.  Joelle gets them on her screenname=20=

but I don't ever see them again.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  <BR>
<BR>

Further, I thought I was writing about how people are chosen and theprincip=le being about the decision-maker who decides to choose.  I don'tsee=20=any judgment in that about 'right' people.  Just a study thatdiscover=ed the main criteria for being chosen: known by, and proximate to,t=he decision-maker.  So, give me a hand because I findmyself=20=mainly in agreement with your dissertation and thus am a bitmystified. 

<BR>

It occurs to me we may be talking about two different posts?  Or anol=d post??  Not one from today.  I posted twice today andhaven't=20=posted in a while before that.  So, help me out, on the board orpriva=

tely, please.<BR>
<BR>
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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:51:25 +0100
From:    Michael Herman <mjher...@gmail.com>
Subject: test

test test test...

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:58:08 +0100
From:    Michael Herman <mjher...@gmail.com>
Subject: test again

sorry for this bother.  no reply necessary... thanks.  m

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:02:04 +0200
From:    Skaparlust <skaparl...@swipnet.se>
Subject: Hello from Sweden

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Hi everyone out there,
Today I realized that I had done the ultimate Open Space meeting.
A unusual thing about this meeting, was the bed, that was placed towards =
one of the walls in the big conference room. I tried it.
At the end of the conference I found out that there weren=B4t any =
reports, which I of course immediately justified with the comment that =
they probably didn=B4t need them anyhow and the participants seemed =
quite content. I also realized that there had been no finishing circle. =
Odd....=20
When talking to one of the guys I realized that I had been sleeping all =
through the meeting. (The ultimate letting go!)=20
Laughing hysterically I told him that I was going to tell about this on =
the OS listserve, which I=20
just now did.  (I am eagerly looking forward to the follow up-meeting, =
which hopefully will happen this night.)

I wish you a magic night, all of you who enjoy the longest day of the =
year!
Agneta Falk
Skaparlust "Joy of creating"

Click here: Toren van beren  This link give you an idea of how to =
transform hierachies.

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:10:18 +0100
From:    Michael Herman <mjher...@gmail.com>
Subject: Surprise

To all Harrison's friends--

***Please keep this our secret (thanks to a little oslist admin magic,
Harrison is not receiving this message)... DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST
ABOUT THIS!***:

To celebrate Harrison's upcoming 70th birthday and Open Space's 20th
anniversary, we want to give Harrison a gift at OSonOS 13 in Halifax,
in the form of your responses to these questions.

    1. How has Harrison or Open Space touched your life?

    2. What wishes do you have for Harrison as he enters his 8th
decade? For Open Space as it enters its 3rd decade?

If you feel moved to contribute, please post your responses at
http://www.footprintsinthewind.com/forum/postlist.php?Board=H70&o=0

If you wish instead to send hard copy, you may send it (to arrive
before July 25) to:

Harrison's Birthday Celebration
c/o Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
P.O. Box 2796
South Bend, IN, USA 46680-2796

***Please keep this secret from Harrison, but do pass it on to otherfriends

of Harrison who may not be on this list.***

          The birthday planners
             Open Space Institute (US) Board
             Kerry Napuk <k...@napuk.demon.co.uk>
             Michael Herman <mher...@globalchicago.net>
             Gabriel Shirley <gabr...@bigmindconsulting.com>
             John Engle <j...@theexperiment.info>
             Peggy Holman <u...@openspaceworld.org>
             Mikk Sarv <m...@ilm.ee>
             Lisa <lisah...@openingspace.net>
             Karen Davis <kda...@concentric.net>
             Douglas D. Germann, Sr. <76066....@compuserve.com>
             Christine Whitney Sanchez <milagr...@cox.net>
             Gail West, ICA <icat...@ms69.hinet.net>
             Michael M Pannwitz <mmpa...@boscop.de>
             Elwin Guild <elwinandj...@yahoo.com>
             Carol Daniel Kasbari <i...@netvision.net.il>
             Avner Averbuch <averb...@post.tau.ac.il>
             Tova Averbuch <averb...@post.tau.ac.il>
             Fr Brian S. Bainbridge <bria...@mira.net>
             Esther Ewing <ewingcha...@aol.com>
             Thomas Herrmann <tho...@openspaceconsulting.com>


--

Michael Herman Associates
http://www.michaelherman.com
...inviting organizations into action

Small Change News Network
http://www.smallchangenews.org
...blogging giving flourishing

Omidyar Network meets in Chicago, July 29-31st!
http://www.moreandmore.us
...people making good things happen

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:23:34 +0100
From:    Michael Herman <mjher...@gmail.com>
Subject: test again

no reply necessary.  thanks. m

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:16:32 -0600
From:    Masud Sheikh <mashe...@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Reflections at 100--# 26

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:08:42 -0400, Douglas D. Germann, Sr. wrote:

Masud--

Ummmm, I missed the doubting Thomas version of the principle about people.
Would you kindly bring me up to date, Masud? <grin>

                             :-Doug.
                             Who needs to be heard?


Oh OK Doug,
At the risk of ex-communication, let me try one more time:
First attempt: Whoever comes are the only people who could have come
Second attempt: I may be forgetting the exact words, but it was something
like "Those who felt invited, came".

Now, the third attempt: Trust the people who come.
And now, I am running away. Hope you (all) are doing well.
Masud

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:17:06 -0400
From:    Harrison Owen <hho...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...

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Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what do you mean?

Harrison
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Dr.
Potomac, MD  20854
USA
301-365-2093
207-763-3261 (summer)
website www.openspaceworld.com


 ----- Original Message -----=20
 From: Claudia Haack=20
 To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu=20
 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:58 PM
 Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...


 Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete transformation.  =
What Fan?

 Claudia
 Triune Milagro - Madison
 608.288.8315

 On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen <hho...@comcast.net> =
writes:
   Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with the two concentric =
circles -- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like a circle. =
Above everything else, don't appologize, explain, justify,  -- mortify . =
Just do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it work? Definitely. =
Just make it a circle in your mind.

   Harrison


   Harrison Owen
   7808 River Falls Dr.
   Potomac, MD  20854
   USA
   301-365-2093
   207-763-3261 (summer)
   website www.openspaceworld.com


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     From: Claudia Haack=20
     To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu=20
     Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:59 PM
     Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...


     Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has been =
given". =20

     Claudia

     On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft =
<lisah...@openingspace.net> writes:
       Claudia -=20

       =20

       You wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped =
room:

       Has anybody ever had a similar situation?  What are your =
thoughts?  The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for =
open space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
actually create something that resembles circles.  Maybe I just worry =
too much about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
make a circle?  Maybe it is really important to have circles and =
"fan-shaped" just isn't going to work?=20

       =20

       I'm guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but =
this is the one you have been given.

       =20

       I seem to remember .Brian Bainbridge, was it?  who spoke of a =
great OS in a room with theatre seating (chairs attached to the floor) =
and a little tiny flat space up front for an agenda wall?  And.Bernd =
Weber, was it?  who spoke of a great OS in a room filled with one =
incredibly large table and people seated all around it and not much =
additional room? =20

       =20

       And I myself had an experience with a room that was actually not =
a meeting room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow.  And when I =
put chairs in sort of an arc facing a wall (with many 'concentric' rows =
out to the sides) the fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs =
had to be locked together.

       =20

       In each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully.  I am =
sure in all our cases we 'fought' like crazy to get a better room, but =
these were the rooms we were given.  And so I'm sure that in each of our =
cases we thought very carefully about the design, and adjusted in the =
most creative ways, and carried intention and vision, and imagined and =
indicated a circle even when there may not have been one (it helps to =
put the signs all around the room and to indicate them as you explain =
principles and law to further the circle feeling even in a long space, I =
have found).  =20

       =20

       And in each of these cases, people got themselves to the =
location that was created for them to write and announce their topics, =
they got to wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, =
and they held their discussions all around the room - amazingly, =
clustering up in little circles even in locked-down chairs - it's a =
natural way to converse, in circles.

       =20

       So I say just do all the things you know to do, think of the =
best way possible to use the space you have, and then enjoy all that =
Open Space.

       =20

       Lisa

       =20

       ___________________________

       L i s a   H e f t

       Consultant, Facilitator, Educator

       O p e n i n g  S p a c e

       2325 Oregon

       Berkeley, California

       94705-1106   USA

       +01 510 548-8449

       lisah...@openingspace.net

       www.openingspace.net=20

       =20

       -----Original Message-----
       From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf =
Of Claudia Haack
       Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:46 AM
       To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
       Subject: Desperately seeking...

       =20

       =20

       Desperately seeking.

       =20

       ..a solution to a space issue.=20

       =20

       Here is the situation:

       =20

       We are planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people. =
=20

       To imagine the setting - imagine classical ballroom, very large =
oval, with a terrace going around the edge.  Then divide the room in =
thirds, keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge =
rooms.  One of which is ours (with a total capacity of  750 people =
theatre style) with these challenges:

       =A7         It is shaped like a fan.

       =A7         The "outer" rim of approximately 44 feed across is =
about 2  feet higher than the "inner" fan.

       =A7         The "outer" rim is separated  from the lower space =
by a metal and glass railing.=20

       =A7         While the inner space has a very high ceiling, the =
outer/upper space does not.=20

       If an open space of at least 35 to 40 feet is created on the =
lower part (the only part where you could create an open space) only =
about 2 concentric circles can be created accommodating about 120 =
people.  The remainder of the rows would be only half-circles or =
half-ovals, following the shape of the terrace.=20

       =20

       Has anybody ever had a similar situation?  What are your =
thoughts?  The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for =
open space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
actually create something that resembles circles.  Maybe I just worry =
too much about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
make a circle?  Maybe it is really important to have circles and =
"fan-shaped" just isn't going to work?=20

       =20

       Thanks for any suggestions.=20

       =20

       Claudia

       =20

       Triune Milagro - Madison

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what do you=20
mean?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD&nbsp;=20
20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A=20
href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com";>www.openspaceworld.com</A></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
 <A title=3dclaudi...@juno.com =
href=3D"mailto:claudi...@juno.com";>Claudia Haack</A>=20
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 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
 title=3dosl...@listserv.boisestate.edu=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu";>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE=
.EDU</A>=20
 </DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005 =
5:58 PM</DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately =
seeking...</DIV>
 <DIV><BR></DIV>
 <DIV>Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete=20
 transformation.&nbsp; What Fan?</DIV>
 <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
 <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
 <DIV>Triune Milagro - Madison</DIV>
 <DIV>608.288.8315</DIV>
 <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
 <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen &lt;<A=20
 href=3D"mailto:hho...@comcast.net";>hho...@comcast.net</A>&gt; =
writes:</DIV>
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2px solid">
   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with =
the two=20
   concentric circles -- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like =
a=20
   circle. Above everything else, don't appologize, explain, =
justify,&nbsp; --=20
   mortify . Just do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it work? =

   Definitely. Just make it a circle in your mind.</FONT></DIV>
   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
   <DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD&nbsp;=20
   20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A=20
   =
href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com";>www.openspaceworld.com</A></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
     <A title=3dclaudi...@juno.com =
href=3D"mailto:claudi...@juno.com";>Claudia=20
     Haack</A> </DIV>
     <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
     title=3dosl...@listserv.boisestate.edu=20
     =
href=3D"mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu";>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE=
.EDU</A>=20
     </DIV>
     <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005 =
2:59=20
     PM</DIV>
     <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately=20
     seeking...</DIV>
     <DIV><BR></DIV>
     <DIV>Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has =
been=20
     given".&nbsp; </DIV>
     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
     <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
     <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft &lt;<A=20
     =
href=3D"mailto:lisah...@openingspace.net";>lisah...@openingspace.net</A>&g=
t;=20
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     <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">Claudia=20
       =96 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">You=20
       wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped=20
       room:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Has anybody=20
       ever had a similar situation?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN>What are your thoughts?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN>The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating =
for open=20
       space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
actually=20
       create something that resembles circles.<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Maybe I just worry too =
much=20
       about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
make a=20
       circle?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Maybe it =
is really=20
       important to have circles and =93fan-shaped=94 just isn=92t =
going to work?=20
       <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">I=92m=20
       guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but this =
is the=20
       one you have been given.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">I=20
       seem to remember =85Brian Bainbridge, was it?<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><SPAN =
class=3DGramE>who</SPAN>=20
       spoke of a great OS in a room with theatre seating (chairs =
attached to=20
       the floor) and a little tiny flat space up front for an agenda=20
       wall?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And=85Bernd =
<SPAN=20
       class=3DGramE>Weber,</SPAN> was it?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN><SPAN class=3DGramE>who</SPAN> spoke of a great OS in a =
room filled=20
       with one incredibly large table and people seated all around it =
and not=20
       much additional room? <SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">And I=20
       myself had an experience with a room that was actually not a =
meeting=20
       room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow.<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And when I put chairs =
in sort of=20
       an arc facing a wall (with many =91concentric=92 rows out to the =
sides) the=20
       fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs had to be =
locked=20
       together.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">In=20
       each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully. <SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I am sure in all our =
cases we=20
       =91fought=92 like crazy to get a better room, but these were the =
rooms we=20
       were given.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And =
so I=92m sure=20
       that in each of our cases we thought very carefully about the =
design,=20
       and adjusted in the most creative ways, and carried intention =
and=20
       vision, and imagined and indicated a circle even when there may =
not have=20
       been one (it helps to put the signs all around the room and to =
indicate=20
       them as you explain principles and law to further the circle =
feeling=20
       even in a long space, I have found). <SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">And=20
       in each of these cases, people got themselves to the location =
that was=20
       created for them to write and announce their topics, they got to =

       wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, and =
they held=20
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       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Claudia=20
       Haack<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
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       June 20, 2005 8:46 AM<BR><B><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
       osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu<BR><B><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Desperately=20
       seeking...</SPAN></FONT></P>
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       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">=85.a solution=20
       to a space issue. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Here is the=20
       situation:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">We are=20
       planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people.<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">To imagine=20
       the setting =96 imagine classical ballroom, very large oval, =
with a=20
       terrace going around the edge. <SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Then divide the room in =
thirds,=20
       keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge =
rooms.<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>One of which is ours =
(with a=20
       total capacity of<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>750=20
       people theatre style) with these=20
challenges:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
       style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
       face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>It is shaped like a =

       fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
       style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
       face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim =
of=20
       approximately 44 feed across is about 2<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>feet higher than the =
=93inner=94=20
       fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
       style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
       face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim =
is=20
       separated<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>from =
the lower=20
       space by a metal and glass railing. <o:p></o:p></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
       style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
       face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>While the inner =
space has a=20
       very high ceiling, the outer/upper space does not. =
<o:p></o:p></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">If an open=20
       space of at least 35 to 40 feet is created on the lower part =
(the only=20
       part where you could create an open space) only about 2 =
concentric=20
       circles can be created accommodating about 120 people.<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The remainder of the =
rows would=20
       be only half-circles or half-ovals, following the shape of the =
terrace.=20
       <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Has anybody=20
       ever had a similar situation?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN>What are your thoughts?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
       </SPAN>The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating =
for open=20
       space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
actually=20
       create something that resembles circles.<SPAN=20
       style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Maybe I just worry too =
much=20
       about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
make a=20
       circle?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Maybe it =
is really=20
       important to have circles and =93fan-shaped=94 just isn=92t =
going to work?=20
       <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Thanks for=20
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       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Claudia<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
       style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
       <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
       face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:31:12 -0700
From:    Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: leverage points

Here is the sentence from your post that gave me the impression you
thought 'the RIGHT people" is judgmental, Paul:

I find the word 'RIGHT" judgmental rather than value neutral. If we say
instead "those who felt invited", that says something about both the
host/s and the invitee/s.


Paul, maybe you were quoting Masud?  Now that I have reviewed your
email from yesterday, I see that I attributed Masud's words to you.
Would you like me to apologize to the list?  Or is this clarification
what you sought from me?

My apologies.  I see now that Masud stated that the word 'right' is
judgmental . . . and he did so quite awhile back.

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:46:34 +0200
From:    Eva P Svensson <e...@epshumaninvest.se>
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And thanks for the smile =96 because that was what I did when I read =
your
post. I can just imagine you lying on the bed sleeping! As you said the
ultimate letting go =96 you have something to teach me there!

Best wishes to you as well from a thunder storming Onsala

:o)

Eva

=20

B=E4sta h=E4lsningar

=20

Eva P Svensson

EPS Human Invest AB

"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m=E4nniskor skapar l=E5ngsiktigt =
v=E4lm=E5ende f=F6retag
och organisationer!"

An=E5sbergsv=E4gen 22, 439 34  ONSALA

Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil: 0706-89 85 50

<mailto:e...@epshumaninvest.se> e...@epshumaninvest.se,
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Skickat: den 21 juni 2005 11:02
Till: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
=C4mne: Hello from Sweden

=20

=20

Hi everyone out there,

Today I realized that I had done the ultimate Open Space meeting.

A unusual thing about this meeting, was the bed, that was placed towards =
one
of the walls in the big conference room. I tried it.

At the end of the conference I found out that there weren=B4t any =
reports,
which I of course immediately justified with the comment that they =
probably
didn=B4t need them anyhow and the participants seemed quite content. I =
also
realized that there had been no finishing circle. Odd....=20

When talking to one of the guys I realized that I had been sleeping all
through the meeting. (The ultimate letting go!)=20

Laughing hysterically I told him that I was going to tell about this on =
the
OS listserve, which I=20

just now did.  (I am eagerly looking forward to the follow up-meeting, =
which
hopefully will happen this night.)

=20

I wish you a magic night, all of you who enjoy the longest day of the =
year!

Agneta Falk

Skaparlust "Joy of creating"

=20

Click here: Toren van beren <http://www.nobodyhere.com/toren.hier>   =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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conference room. I tried it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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justified with
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participants
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letting go!)&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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I was going to tell about this on the OS listserve, which I =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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looking
forward to the follow up-meeting, which hopefully will happen this =
night.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Falk<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:50:25 -0500
From:    Claudia Haack <claudi...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...

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Harrison,

You wrote:
Just make it a circle in your mind.

And so I did.  The image in my mind transformed from an awkward,
two-level fan shape to a circle that will be perfect for opening the
space for 300 attendees.  Your assurances have greatly relieved our
clients, as well as Christine and myself.
Thanks, Claudia

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:17:06 -0400 Harrison Owen <hho...@comcast.net>
writes:
Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what do you mean?

Harrison
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----- Original Message -----From: Claudia Haack

To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...

Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete transformation.
What Fan?

Claudia
Triune Milagro - Madison
608.288.8315

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen <hho...@comcast.net>
writes:
Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with the two concentric circles
-- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like a circle. Above
everything else, don't appologize, explain, justify,  -- mortify . Just
do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it work? Definitely. Just
make it a circle in your mind.

Harrison

Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Dr.
Potomac, MD  20854
USA
301-365-2093
207-763-3261 (summer)
website www.openspaceworld.com

----- Original Message -----From: Claudia Haack

To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...

Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has been given".

Claudia

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft <lisah...@openingspace.net>
writes:
Claudia -

You wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped room:
Has anybody ever had a similar situation?  What are your thoughts?  The
space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for open space, with
stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to actually create something
that resembles circles.  Maybe I just worry too much about the space and
the right people will come (and stay?!) and make a circle?  Maybe it is
really important to have circles and "fan-shaped" just isn't going to
work?

I'm guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but this is
the one you have been given.

I seem to remember .Brian Bainbridge, was it?  who spoke of a great OS in
a room with theatre seating (chairs attached to the floor) and a little
tiny flat space up front for an agenda wall?  And.Bernd Weber, was it?
who spoke of a great OS in a room filled with one incredibly large table
and people seated all around it and not much additional room?

And I myself had an experience with a room that was actually not a
meeting room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow.  And when I put
chairs in sort of an arc facing a wall (with many 'concentric' rows out
to the sides) the fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs had
to be locked together.

In each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully.  I am sure in
all our cases we 'fought' like crazy to get a better room, but these were
the rooms we were given.  And so I'm sure that in each of our cases we
thought very carefully about the design, and adjusted in the most
creative ways, and carried intention and vision, and imagined and
indicated a circle even when there may not have been one (it helps to put
the signs all around the room and to indicate them as you explain
principles and law to further the circle feeling even in a long space, I
have found).

And in each of these cases, people got themselves to the location that
was created for them to write and announce their topics, they got to
wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, and they held
their discussions all around the room - amazingly, clustering up in
little circles even in locked-down chairs - it's a natural way to
converse, in circles.

So I say just do all the things you know to do, think of the best way
possible to use the space you have, and then enjoy all that Open Space.

Lisa

___________________________
L i s a   H e f t
Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
O p e n i n g  S p a c e
2325 Oregon
Berkeley, California
94705-1106   USA
+01 510 548-8449
lisah...@openingspace.net
www.openingspace.net

-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Claudia
Haack
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:46 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Desperately seeking...

Desperately seeking.

..a solution to a space issue.

Here is the situation:

We are planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people.
To imagine the setting - imagine classical ballroom, very large oval,
with a terrace going around the edge.  Then divide the room in thirds,
keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge rooms.  One
of which is ours (with a total capacity of  750 people theatre style)
with these challenges:
§         It is shaped like a fan.
§         The "outer" rim of approximately 44 feed across is about 2
feet higher than the "inner" fan.
§         The "outer" rim is separated  from the lower space by a metal
and glass railing.
§         While the inner space has a very high ceiling, the outer/upper
space does not.
If an open space of at least 35 to 40 feet is created on the lower part
(the only part where you could create an open space) only about 2
concentric circles can be created accommodating about 120 people.  The
remainder of the rows would be only half-circles or half-ovals, following
the shape of the terrace.

Has anybody ever had a similar situation?  What are your thoughts?  The
space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for open space, with
stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to actually create something
that resembles circles.  Maybe I just worry too much about the space and
the right people will come (and stay?!) and make a circle?  Maybe it is
really important to have circles and "fan-shaped" just isn't going to
work?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Claudia

Triune Milagro - Madison
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<DIV>Harrison, </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You wrote:</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Just make it a circle in your mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

<DIV>And so I did.  The image in my mind transformed from anawkward,=

=20

two-level fan shape to a circle that will be perfect for opening the space=

for=20

300 attendees.  Your assurances have greatly relieved our clients, as=

well=20
as Christine and myself.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, Claudia</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:17:06 -0400 Harrison Owen &lt;<A=20

href=3D"mailto:hho...@comcast.net";>hho...@comcast.net</A>>writes:</DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV>Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what doyou=20

 mean?</FONT></DIV>
 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
 <DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD&nbsp;=20
 20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A=20
 href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com";>www.openspaceworld.com</A></DIV>
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From:</B>=20
   <A title=3dclaudi...@juno.com href=3D"mailto:claudi...@juno.com";>=
Claudia=20
   Haack</A> </DIV>
   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
   title=3dosl...@listserv.boisestate.edu=20
   href=3D"mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu";>OSLIST@LISTSERV.=
BOISESTATE.EDU</A>=20
   </DIV>

<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, June 20, 20055:58=

=20
   PM</DIV>
   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately=20
   seeking...</DIV>
   <DIV><BR></DIV>
   <DIV>Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete=20
   transformation.&nbsp; What Fan?</DIV>
   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
   <DIV>Triune Milagro - Madison</DIV>
   <DIV>608.288.8315</DIV>
   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
   <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen &lt;<A=20

href=3D"mailto:hho...@comcast.net";>hho...@comcast.net</A>>writes:</=

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<DIV>Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with=

the two=20

concentric circles -- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like=

a=20
     circle. Above everything else, don't appologize, explain, justify,&=
nbsp;=20
     -- mortify . Just do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it =
work?=20
     Definitely. Just make it a circle in your mind.</FONT></DIV>
     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
     <DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD&nbsp;=20

20854 USA 301-365-2093 207-763-3261 (summer) website<A=20

     href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com";>www.openspaceworld.com</A></=
DIV>
     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<B>From:</B>=20
       <A title=3dclaudi...@juno.com href=3D"mailto:claudi...@juno.com";>=
Claudia=20
       Haack</A> </DIV>
       <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
       title=3dosl...@listserv.boisestate.edu=20
       href=3D"mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu";>OSLIST@LISTSERV.=
BOISESTATE.EDU</A>=20
       </DIV>

<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005=

2:59=20
       PM</DIV>
       <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately=20
       seeking...</DIV>
       <DIV><BR></DIV>
       <DIV>Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has =
been=20
       given".&nbsp; </DIV>
       <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
       <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
       <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
       <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft &lt;<A=20

href=3D"mailto:lisah...@openingspace.net";>lisah...@openingspace.net=
</A>&gt;=20
       writes:</DIV>
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MS'">Claudia=20
         =96 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">You=20
         wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped=20
         room:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

Has=20

         anybody ever had a similar situation?<SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  What are yourthoughts?=

<SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  The space appears tobe=

so=20
         awkward and unaccommodating for open space, with stairs and =
railings,=20
         and limited opportunity to actually create something that =
resembles=20
         circles.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Maybe I =
just=20
         worry too much about the space and the right people will come (=
and=20

stay?!) and make a circle?&nbsp=

;=20
         </SPAN>Maybe it is really important to have circles and =93fan-=
shaped=94=20
         just isn=92t going to work? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">I=92m=20

guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but this=

is=20
         the one you have been given.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">I=20
         seem to remember =85Brian Bainbridge, was it?<SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  <SPANclass=3DGramE>who=

</SPAN>=20
         spoke of a great OS in a room with theatre seating (chairs =
attached to=20
         the floor) and a little tiny flat space up front for an agenda=20

wall?  And=85Bernd=

<SPAN=20
         class=3DGramE>Weber,</SPAN> was it?<SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  <SPANclass=3DGramE>who=

</SPAN>=20
         spoke of a great OS in a room filled with one incredibly large =
table=20
         and people seated all around it and not much additional room? <=
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style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes"> <o:p></o:p></FONT=

</P>

         <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">And=20
         I myself had an experience with a room that was actually not a =
meeting=20
         room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow.<SPAN=20
         style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And when I put chairs =
in sort=20
         of an arc facing a wall (with many =91concentric=92 rows out to =
the sides)=20
         the fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs had to be =
locked=20
         together.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">In=20
         each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully. <SPAN=20
         style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>I am sure in all our =
cases we=20

=91fought=92 like crazy to get a better room, but these were the=

rooms we=20

were given.  Andso=

I=92m=20
         sure that in each of our cases we thought very carefully about =
the=20
         design, and adjusted in the most creative ways, and carried =
intention=20
         and vision, and imagined and indicated a circle even when there =
may=20

not have been one (it helps to put the signs all around the room=

and=20

to indicate them as you explain principles and law to furtherthe=

=20
         circle feeling even in a long space, I have found). <SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">  <o:p></o:p>=

</FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
MS'">And=20
         in each of these cases, people got themselves to the location =
that was=20
         created for them to write and announce their topics, they got to=
=20
         wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, and =
they=20
         held their discussions all around the room =96 amazingly, =
clustering up=20

in little circles even in locked-down chairs =96 it=92s anatural=

way to=20
         converse, in circles.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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         osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu<BR><B><SPAN=20
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         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

=85.a=20

         solution to a space issue. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

Here is=20

         the situation:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

We are=20

         planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people.<SPAN=20
         style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

To imagine=20

the setting =96 imagine classical ballroom, very large oval,with=

a=20
         terrace going around the edge. <SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Then divide the room in=

thirds,=20
         keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge=20
         rooms.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>One of =
which is=20

ours (with a total capacity of&=

nbsp;=20
         </SPAN>750 people theatre style) with these=20
         challenges:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
         style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
         face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=

font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:=

Wingdings"><SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"size=

=3D1><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
         </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>It is shaped like a=
=20
         fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
         style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
         face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=

font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:=

Wingdings"><SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"size=

=3D1><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20

<![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim=

of=20
         approximately 44 feed across is about 2<SPAN=20
         style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>feet higher than the =
=93inner=94=20
         fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
         style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
         face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=

font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:=

Wingdings"><SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"size=

=3D1><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20

<![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim=

is=20

separated  fromthe=

lower=20
         space by a metal and glass railing. <o:p></o:p></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
         style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
         face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=

font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:=

Wingdings"><SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"size=

=3D1><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
         </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>While the inner =
space has=20

a very high ceiling, the outer/upper space does not.<o:p></o:p><=

/P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

If an open=20

space of at least 35 to 40 feet is created on the lower part(the=

only=20
         part where you could create an open space) only about 2 =
concentric=20
         circles can be created accommodating about 120 people.<SPAN=20
         style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The remainder of the =
rows=20

would be only half-circles or half-ovals, following the shape of=

the=20
         terrace. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

Has=20

         anybody ever had a similar situation?<SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  What are yourthoughts?=

<SPAN=20

style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  The space appears tobe=

so=20
         awkward and unaccommodating for open space, with stairs and =
railings,=20
         and limited opportunity to actually create something that =
resembles=20
         circles.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Maybe I =
just=20
         worry too much about the space and the right people will come (=
and=20

stay?!) and make a circle?&nbsp=

;=20
         </SPAN>Maybe it is really important to have circles and =93fan-=
shaped=94=20
         just isn=92t going to work? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt"=

Thanks for=20

         any suggestions. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Claudia<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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         face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
         style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
         <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:34:49 -0400
From:    Jaime Pedreros <jpedrer...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OS research

Hello John!

You, as well as everybody on the list, are happily welcome to post
requests. Sharing waht one knows is a way of "opening your inner
space". Good luck

Jaime

2005/6/20, john engle <englej...@hotmail.com>:

thank you very much, jaime! i really appreciate you taking the time to

communicate this. i was not aware of this information and am going tocheck

it out tomorrow.

again, thank you for writing and please forgive me for taking so long to
respond.

kind regards,

john

http://JohnEngle.blogspot.com - Reflections about Haiti, life, and ourwork.

http://JohnEngle.info
http://TheExperiment.info

>From: Jaime Pedreros <jpedrer...@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Jaime Pedreros <jpedrer...@gmail.com>
>To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
>Subject: Re: OS research
>Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:14:51 -0400
>
>Hello John,
>
>I enteres the OST web site i.e. www.openspaceworld.org  If you go to
>"other collections of facilitation resources" will find the Doersam
>Clark overview. In the  Powerpoint presentation, (3Mb) there is a
>slide showing a table that compares personal and organizational
>change; one of them has been proposed by Harrison Owen and the other
>one by an author whose name I do not remember. If you search something
>more about this author, you may enrich your perspective about change
>and perhaps some other research results would arise.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Jaime
>
>
>On 6/15/05, john engle <englej...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > dear os listers,
> >

> > i have a friend who is working on her doctorate and considering using> > OS

>in
> > personal and organizational transformation as the theme of her study.
>she

> > has been the director of a nonprofit organization working in> > innercity> > Philadelphia for ten years and feels that Open Space is key to the> > work

> > going to a new level.
> >
> > Is there a page where links to all OS research can be found?
> >
> > I've just spent about 15 minutes looking and couldn't find it. Sure
>would
> > be
> > great if there is one and it's quickly accessible to anyone.
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > john engle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > http://JohnEngle.blogspot.com - Reflections about Haiti, life, and> > our

> > work.
> > http://JohnEngle.info
> > http://TheExperiment.info
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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:46:59 -0400
From:    Diane Gibeault <diane.gibea...@rogers.com>
Subject: OST Practitioner in Indonesia

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I've received from a Centre for Community Empowerment Studies inIndonesia,

a request for help to use OST with villagers. I looked at the OSWorld map

but no Indonesia practitioners are listed. Does anyone have names ofpeoplein Indonesia or countries nearby that I could suggest so they might beable

to connect more easily.
Diane

Diane Gibeault CPF / FPA

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:24:08 +0300
From:    Funda Oral <fundao...@ttnet.net.tr>
Subject: turkish at osworld.org web page

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Please be informed that OST explained in turkish is now at your service
at www.openspaceworld.org

I want to thank to,

Ozge who helped me with the translation, and says that she supports mewith

this
Open Space Dream although she thinks that my efforts are similar to Don
Quichote's

Filiz, who carefully edited and corrected the text.

Okan, who helped me to solve many technical problems easily

and finally Michael Herman, who uploaded, re-uploaded again and again,
helped patiently with some stubborn turkish letters and who even had to
learn some
turkish at the end.

Sincerely,
Funda

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:59:35 EDT
From:    Joelle Lyons Everett <jleshel...@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Hello from Sweden

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Agneta--

Thanks for your story--it made me laugh, too.   It must be the ultimate in
transparency for the facilitator to grab her nap in full view of all
participants--as Harrison says, they will know they did it all themselves!

It's a cloudy day here today, the solstice, but yesterday was gloriouslyhotand sunny--we planted herbs, took a look to see where to plant someflowers,and the evening was so warm and lovely that I was out pruning bushes untilthe

moon came up, looking incredibly big and bright.   A good start to summer!

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:01:45 -0400
From:    Jennifer Hurley <jlhur...@hfadesign.com>
Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups

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On 6/16/05 12:33 AM, "Joelle Lyons Everett" <jleshel...@aol.com> wrote:

From my experience as a participant in an Open Space of 700 or 800, Iwouldendorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up at the wall. It was hardtoget close enough to the wall posters to read or write. The large screenwillhelp with the reading, so it will not be necessary for everyone to get tothe
wall at the start.


I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up at the
wall.  It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall.  Instead, I

have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the discussion circles are.Does

anyone have a good reason for asking people to sign up at the wall?

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I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up at the=wall.  It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall. Inst=ead, I have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the discussion circlesare.= Does anyone have a good reason for asking people to sign up at thewa=

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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:36:23 -0700
From:    Chris Corrigan <chris.corri...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups

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I have used an electronic bulletin board once, a huge one. The problemwith=

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it is that everyone can comment on the agenda from their seats and you=20
actually miss out on the chaos of standing at the wall. Also there is=20

something to the physical act of actually putting your topic up thatbreeds=

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responsibility, rather than just throwing it out there for someone elseto=

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If you do with the eBB, then have the paper wall too...there is nothinglik=

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Also I don't do sign ups per se, although often groups will figure that's=
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not. I am pretty strict about asking conveners to put their names ontheir=

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topics though...again, passion bounded by responsibility and it makesit=20

easier to find people when sessions are wanting to be changed.

Chris

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Planning & Urban Design
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I have used an electronic bulletin board once, a huge one.&nbsp; The
problem with it is that everyone can comment on the agenda from their
seats and you actually miss out on the chaos of standing at the
wall.&nbsp; Also there is something to the physical act of actually
putting your topic up that breeds responsibility, rather than just
throwing it out there for someone else to type into a grid.&nbsp; <br>
<br>

If you do with the eBB, then have the paper wall too...there is nothinglik=

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<br>
Also I don't do sign ups per se, although often groups will figure
that's what they are supposed to do at the wall.&nbsp; Sometimes it
happens, sometimes not.&nbsp; I am pretty strict about asking conveners
to put their names on their topics though...again, passion bounded by
responsibility and it makes it easier to find people when sessions are
wanting to be changed.<br>
<br>

Chris <div>On 6/21/05, <bclass=3D"gmail=_sendername">Jennifer Hurley <<ahref=3D"mailto:JLHurley@hfadesign.c=om">jlhur...@hfadesign.com</a>> wrote:<blockquoteclass=3D"gmail_=quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt=

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neva">From
my experience as a participant in an Open Space of 700 or 800, I would
endorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up at the wall.
&nbsp;&nbsp;It was hard to get close enough to the wall posters to read
or write. &nbsp;&nbsp;The large screen will help with the reading, so
it will not be necessary for everyone to get to the wall at the start.<br>

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I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up at
the wall. &nbsp;It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall.
&nbsp;Instead, I have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the
discussion circles are. &nbsp;Does anyone have a good reason for asking
people to sign up at the wall?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
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Date:    Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:08:31 +0200
From:    "Pannwitz, Michael M" <mmpa...@boscop.de>
Subject: Re: OST Practitioner in Indonesia

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Dear Diane,
if you go to Singapore on the world map
(its a tiny dot at the very bottom of  Malaysia that you can hardly
see with your naked eye, so use the zoom to see it)
which I think is the closest place to Indonesia
you will find Doug and Prabu there.
Wouldnt be in the least surprised if they could not help you.

(Just received this note on what the world map is good for and other
great news from Marina Tyasto who usually hangs out in Siberia:
Dear Michael,

Do you know that I've met Funda through your Map and invited her to
do OST
meeting at the 7th Global Leadership Forum in Istanbul where we
already
planned to do it with Jan Secor. Thank you for including Turkey in my
info.
Funda told me that other Turkish ospaicers live out of Turkey - I
think in
Germany.
I'd like to use this opportunity to tell that i was doing many OST
this year
with different groups of state and municipal servants of Siberia and
also
with administration and faculty of my Academy. And I have two orders
for the
FSC for August-September - for SAPA (Siberian Academy for Public
Administration) and Strategic planning of the Iskitim district
(Novosibirsk
region). Will report when happened.
I'd love to go to Halifax, but before I'll try to go to Bethlehem for
the
Peace trees Project at Hope Flowers school with the Earthstewards
Network
Annual Gathering. If I could manage both - two problems - visas and
money
for airfare. Wish is my fuel. Hope to move forward.
When and where we'll drink coffee with you, Michael? Love,

Marina

greetings from Berlin
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if you go to Singapore on the world map<BR>

(its a tiny dot at the very bottom of Malaysia that you can hardly seewith your naked eye, so use the zoom to see it) 


which I think is the closest place to Indonesia<BR>

you will find Doug and Prabu there.<BR>

Wouldnt be in the least surprised if they could not help you.<BR>

<BR>

(Just received this note on what the world map is good for and other greatnews from Marina Tyasto who usually hangs out in Siberia: 


Dear Michael,<BR>

<BR>

Do you know that I've met Funda through your Map and invited her to doOST 

meeting at the 7th Global Leadership Forum in Istanbul where wealready 

planned to do it with Jan Secor. Thank you for including Turkey in myinfo. 

Funda told me that other Turkish ospaicers live out of Turkey - I thinkin 


Germany.<BR>

I'd like to use this opportunity to tell that i was doing many OST thisyear 

with different groups of state and municipal servants of Siberia andalso 

with administration and faculty of my Academy. And I have two orders forthe 


FSC for August-September - for SAPA (Siberian Academy for Public<BR>

Administration) and Strategic planning of the Iskitim district(Novosibirsk 


region). Will report when happened.<BR>

I'd love to go to Halifax, but before I'll try to go to Bethlehem forthe 

Peace trees Project at Hope Flowers school with the EarthstewardsNetwork 

Annual Gathering. If I could manage both - two problems - visas andmoney 


for airfare. Wish is my fuel. Hope to move forward.<BR>

When and where we'll drink coffee with you, Michael? Love,<BR>

<BR>

Marina<BR>

<BR>

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From:    "Pannwitz, Michael M" <mmpa...@boscop.de>
Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups

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Dear Jennifer,
here is what I tell people when I invite them to go up to the
bulletin board with the possibility of signing up:

"In a minute, the market place opens. When you go there you might be
confronted with various challenges. One is, that you want to go to
two sessions that are posted for the same beginning time. Dont
despair, just go to the convener and discuss with them moving it to
another time so that you can attend. If they are unwilling you might
offer them something they cant really turn down very easily, like a
couple of martinis at the bar. If that does not do the trick, you
might decide to bumble bee between the two groups or be so mad to
decide to go to neither and rather take a break...or you just make a
decision. If you yourself are the convener of those two issues, well,
just discuss it with yourself.
After that sign in. Just jot down your name on all the sheets your
are interested in. This does not commit you in any way.
When you are through with that, have another look. If you signed for
an issue and find that there are lots of people there and you are
scared of large groups you might just forget about that one. Or if
you see the names of certain people that you know you would greatly
enjoy being in a group with, go there. Some of you might want to jot
down all the times and places on a separate sheet for your own
orientation, others will go to the bulletin board after each session
and make a decision about their next move."

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

--Original Message Text---
From: Jennifer Hurley
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:01:45 -0400

Re: Timing for really large groups On 6/16/05 12:33 AM, "Joelle Lyons
Everett" <jleshel...@aol.com> wrote:

From my experience as a participant in an Open Space of 700 or 800, I
would endorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up at the wall.   It
was hard to get close enough to the wall posters to read or write.
The large screen will help with the reading, so it will not be
necessary for everyone to get to the wall at the start.


I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up
at the wall.  It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall.
Instead, I have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the discussion
circles are.  Does anyone have a good reason for asking people to
sign up at the wall?

Thanks,
Jennifer Hurley
-------------------------------
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Planning & Urban Design

1429 Walnut St., Ste. 601
Philadelphia, PA 19102

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here is what I tell people when I invite them to go up to the bulletinboard with the possibility of signing up: 


<BR>

"In a minute, the market place opens. When you go there you might beconfronted with various challenges. One is, that you want to go to twosessions that are posted for the same beginning time. Dont despair, justgo to the convener and discuss with them moving it to another time so thatyou can attend. If they are unwilling you might offer them something theycant really turn down very easily, like a couple of martinis at the bar.If that does not do the trick, you might decide to bumble bee between thetwo groups or be so mad to decide to go to neither and rather take abreak...or you just make a decision. If you yourself are the convener ofthose two issues, well, just discuss it with yourself. 

After that sign in. Just jot down your name on all the sheets your areinterested in. This does not commit you in any way. 

When you are through with that, have another look. If you signed for anissue and find that there are lots of people there and you are scared oflarge groups you might just forget about that one. Or if you see the namesof certain people that you know you would greatly enjoy being in a groupwith, go there. Some of you might want to jot down all the times andplaces on a separate sheet for your own orientation, others will go to thebulletin board after each session and make a decision about their nextmove." 


<BR>

Greetings from Berlin<BR>

mmp<BR>

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<B>From:</B> Jennifer Hurley<BR>

<B>Date:</B> Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:01:45 -0400<BR>

<BR>

Re: Timing for really large groups On 6/16/05 12:33AM, "Joelle Lyons Everett" <jleshel...@aol.com> wrote: 


<BR>

From my experience as a participant in an Open Spaceof 700 or 800, I would endorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up atthe wall. It was hard to get close enough to the wall posters to read orwrite. The large screen will help with the reading, so it will not benecessary for everyone to get to the wall at the start. 


<BR>

<FONT FACE="Verdana"><BR>

I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up at thewall. It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall. Instead, Ihave been putting sign-up sheets wherever the discussion circles are.Does anyone have a good reason for asking people to sign up at thewall? 


<BR>

Thanks,<BR>

Jennifer Hurley<BR>

-------------------------------<BR>

Hurley~Franks and Associates<BR>

Planning & Urban Design<BR>

<BR>

1429 Walnut St., Ste. 601<BR>

Philadelphia, PA 19102<BR>

<BR>

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jlhur...@hfadesign.com<BR>

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I have not changed the process much for really large groups even in
really small time frames.  I do have everyone go up to the wall.  To me
it is an essential part of OST.   Unlike Lisa, I do have one line and
have individuals announce topics from that big long line.  I do "guide"
that part of the process.  When people go to the wall, and see what has
emerged as agenda is when the "chaos" strikes and they collectively and
individually take "control" of the session from that point on.   Asking
people to "sign up" is about engaging people in choice amongst more
options than they can usually manage.  It substantially reinforces the
principles and law that they must manage their own energy, take
responsibility for their own passion (in addition to that of the
initiator) - choose a topic or to be a bumble bee or butter fly.  It is
intentionally chaotic - it is moving to the edge of chaos where you
cannot predict the outcomes.  It fosters collective consciousness that
if we are to deal with this complex agenda we must discover how to go
with the flow of what emerges - and that no one will manage this for us.
I think that best happens at the wall rather than at the announcing of
topics.

Together with others, we recently did 14 OST events in three weeks with
form 300 to 500 participants with a full convergence in a day.  Not
ideal, but it worked!  And they all went to the wall and chose (and many
signed up).

Larry

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have not changed the =
process
much for really large groups even in really small time frames.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I do have everyone go up to the =
wall.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>To me it is an essential part =
of OST.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Unlike Lisa, I do have =
one line
and have individuals announce topics from that big long line.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I do &#8220;guide&#8221; that =
part of
the process.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>When people =
go to the
wall, and see what has emerged as agenda is when the &#8220;chaos&#8221;
strikes and <span class=3DGramE>they</span> collectively and =
individually take &#8220;control&#8221;
of the session from that point on.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>Asking people to &#8220;sign up&#8221; is about engaging people =
in
choice amongst more options than they can usually manage.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It substantially reinforces the
principles and law that they must manage their own energy, take =
responsibility
for their own passion (in addition to that of the initiator) &#8211; =
choose a
topic or to be a bumble bee or butter fly.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>It is intentionally chaotic &#8211; it is moving to the edge of =
chaos
where you cannot predict the outcomes.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>It fosters collective consciousness that if we are to deal with =
this
complex agenda we must discover how to go with the flow of what emerges =
&#8211;
and that no one will manage this for us.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>I think that best happens at the wall rather than at the =
announcing of
topics.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></f=
ont></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Together with others, we =
recently
did 14 OST events in three weeks with form 300 to 500 participants with =
a full convergence
in a day.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Not ideal, but =
it worked!<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>And they all went to the wall =
and chose
(and many signed up).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ont></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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nt></p>

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Peterson</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:
yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Associates in =
Transformation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Toronto, ON, =
Canada<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>416.653.4829</span></font><font =
color=3Dnavy><span
style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Date:    Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:55:29 EDT
From:    Joelle Lyons Everett <jleshel...@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups

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Jennifer--

I agree with much of what has been said about "why sign up at the wall?"It

physically involves people in making choices, making commitments, the

emergence of meaning out of chaos. Although a signature on the sessionposter isnot really a commitment, it does give the convenor a clue to whether thegroup

might be closer to 2 or 22.   I'm very much in favor of processes that get

people physically into the action, rather than have them on the sidelinesthinking

about why this is not going to work!

Joelle



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Date:    Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:13:27 +1000
From:    John Rapp <john.r...@peithene.com>
Subject: Re: OST Practitioner in Indonesia

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I have done some OST in Indonesia (with lawyers, not villagers), but am =
now based in Seattle.  Patrick Lambe from Singapore will get you =
connected: enquir...@straitsknowledge.com.  John

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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Diane =
Gibeault
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:47 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: OST Practitioner in Indonesia


I've received from a Centre for Community Empowerment Studies in =
Indonesia, a request for help to use OST with villagers. I looked at the =
OSWorld map but no Indonesia practitioners are listed. Does anyone have =
names of people in Indonesia or countries nearby that I could suggest so =
they might be able to connect more easily.=20

Diane=20

Diane Gibeault CPF / FPA =20

Diane Gibeault & Associ=E9.es-Associates

www.dianegibeault.com <http://www.dianegibeault.com/> =20

diane.gibea...@rogers.com <mailto:diane.gibea...@rogers.com>    Ottawa =
Canada   (613) 744-2638

Facilitation and Training in Support of Transformation
Facilitation et formation en appui =E0 la transformation

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Singapore will=20
get you connected: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:enquir...@straitsknowledge.com";>enquiries@straitsknowledge=
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names of=20
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