Hi Ted and Allison, I just came back from 2 months of absence and I missed your earlier message Allison.
Allison you asked about the description I gave below (*): Can you provide more details about this . Did participants enter their reports directly on the website or did they type them up in some kind of word document and then have them posted on the website? (*) An alternative technology: In another OS, people from across > Canada were connected, not via a wiki but via a web site on which > reports were posted as is and comments from anywhere about any of > the reports or about the OS theme could be given on a separate > page that was posted on the News wall. People were also invited > to have their own OS in regions and to send in their reports for the News wall. ANSWER: Participants typed their reports on computers using a Word program and the News Room staff posted them on the web site. They also printed comments from outside participants and posted them with reports on the News Wall. The best to you Ted and Gerard Muller in co-facilitating the Open Space track of the WikiSym 2006, The 2006 International Symposium on Wikis. I hope you can share with us new findings about OS and wikis. Diane Gibeault www.dianegibeault.com (613) 744-2638 Facilitation and Training in Support of Transformation Facilitation et formation en appui à la transformation -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Ted Ernst Sent: July 4, 2006 12:58 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: USB-sticks and WIKIS Allison, I've just been getting to know Chinarut and he's been telling me about the Asia Commons experiences with open space and wikis. Could you share something about that from your perspective? peace, ted On 2/18/06, Allison Hewlitt <ahewl...@bellanet.org> wrote: > Hi Frank, Diane > > I am a little bit late jumping in on this but wanted to add to the discussion. > > > Frank asked: Does anyone have any thoughts on the pros and cons of >wiki vs. floppy/usb? > > There was an interesting thread started by Lisa on the "Use of Wireless, wiki and other high-technology for documentation" on Sept 16, 2005. It may not directly highlight the pros and cons that you are looking for but it sounds as though it might be relevant reading. > > I have used wikis, floppies and usbs but lean towards wikis provided (i) the technical infrastructure is solid ie. internet access is not an issue and I have a printer in the news room and (ii) the majority of the group are comfortable with wikis. Unfortunately, I don't find that this is often the case so I most often end up using one or two usbs. > > Most of the reasons why I like wikis (the pros) have been shared by others except for one. My organisation (and many of our partners) promotes the use of FOSS (free and open source software) and technologies that nurture communities. The wiki provides both - it is an alternative to using Microsoft Office word to type up the reports and it is a living document in that others can contribute. > > We do have other options. I know of two - (1) using a rich text file (rtf) format or (2) using alternative open office apps like OpenOffice (OO). These share one of the biggest drawbacks that I see in using wikis - there is a learning curve which, if not addressed, can be a great source of frustration for those unfamiliar with the technology. In addition, most computers have MS Office installed but not OO so the additional steps of downloading (for free), installing and testing OO on the newsroom desktops would be required. > > Diane wrote... > > DG> An alternative technology: In another OS, people from across > DG> Canada were connected, not via a wiki but via a web site on which > DG> reports were posted as is and comments from anywhere about any of > DG> the reports or about the OS theme could be given on a separate > DG> page that was posted on the News wall. People were also invited > DG> to have their own OS in regions and to send in their reports for the News wall. > > Can you provide more details about this. Did participants enter their reports directly on the website or did they type them up in some kind of word document and then have them posted on the website? > > If there are other options out there, I would be interested in learning about them. > > Thanks, > Allison > > > > > At 10:42 AM Tuesday, February 14, 2006, Diane Gibeault wrote: > > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> Hi Frank, > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> You asked: Does anyone have any thoughts on the pros and cons of wiki vs. floppy/usb? > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> The nice thing about the wiki is that it becomes like an OS on > DG> line, a chat room on each report topic. Participants on site or > DG> other members of the organization not present physically > DG> can continue interacting electronically after the group > DG> discussion and even after the OS. I had participants from Los > DG> Angeles and India connected to an Ottawa OS. > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> One draw back I found with wiki was in the naming of reports > DG> especially with people used to working with wickies. They just > DG> went and did what they normally do without paying any attention > DG> to the verbal and written instructions about naming the report. > DG> This made it much harder to track which reports where completed > DG> so they could be printed for the News wall and the Book. > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> Also, other participants are able to change the report before > DG> the News Room prints a copy of the initiator's report that will go > DG> in the Book of reports. On the printed version, there is no way > DG> to see that someone has changed the original report. This can > DG> cause a bit of frustration on the part of the initiator who took > DG> responsibility to communicate the group's discussion and can see > DG> his or her name attached - without their knowing - to a document > DG> that is not reflective of their work. On the screen, one can > DG> verify what changes have been made but when reading the reports > DG> for convergence, participants read from a hard copy - there isn't > DG> a computer screen for each participant. > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> At another OS, reports were entered into the wiki at the end of > DG> day only which eliminated the above problem. > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> An alternative technology: In another OS, people from across > DG> Canada were connected, not via a wiki but via a web site on which > DG> reports were posted as is and comments from anywhere about any of > DG> the reports or about the OS theme could be given on a separate > DG> page that was posted on the News wall. People were also invited > DG> to have their own OS in regions and to send in their reports for the News wall. > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> I am looking forward to hearing more about the experience with wikis > DG> > DG> > DG> > DG> Diane > DG> > DG> Diane Gibeault & Associé.es-Associates > DG> > DG> www.dianegibeault.com > DG> > DG> diane.gibea...@rogers.com Ottawa Canada (613) 744-2638 > DG> > DG> Facilitation and Training in Support of Transformation > DG> Facilitation et formation en appui à la transformation > DG> > DG> > DG> -----Original Message----- > DG> From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Frank Deitle > DG> Sent: February 13, 2006 10:45 PM > DG> To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > DG> Subject: Re: USB-sticks and computer station during OST + some more.. > > DG> > DG> Hi everyone, > DG> > DG> I recently attended the RecentChangesCamp Open Space in Portland. > DG> It was facilitated by Michael Herman and we used an online wiki > DG> to compile the book of procedings (there were a lot of wiki > DG> folks at the conference). This was the first Open Space I've > DG> been to where we've even used the banks of computers so I have > DG> nothing to contrast the experience to. Does anyone have any > DG> thoughts on the pros and cons of wiki vs. floppy/usb? > DG> > DG> Peace, > DG> > DG> Frank Deitle > DG> * * ========================================================== > DG> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To > DG> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives > DG> of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: > DG> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about > DG> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > DG> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > DG> * * ========================================================== > DG> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To > DG> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > DG> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: > DG> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn > DG> about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > DG> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > > --- > Allison Hewlitt > Bellanet International Secretariat <www.bellanet.org> > Tel: +1 613.236.6163 x2393 > > * > * > ========================================================== > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > -- Humanize the Earth! http://tedernst.com Open more space! http://www.openspaceworld.org Chicago event July 14-16: http://moreandmore.us/ skype: TedErnst google talk/jabber: teder...@gmail.com * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
