Wow, wow, wow. Very exciting. Thank you so much. I look forward to listening.
Grateful, Ashley On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Chris Corrigan <ch...@chriscorrigan.com>wrote: > Ash: > > Got a half hour of audio of folks giving their thoughts to your > inquiry...Larry Peterson, Peggy Holman, Viv McWaters, Brian Bainbridge, Alan > Stewart, Michael Cook, Aine Corrigan-Frost, Elwin Guild, Phelim McDermott, > Lisa Heft, Jeff Aitken, John Engle and possibly others I have forgotten for > the moment, all weighed in. > > All are welcome to listen at: > > http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=1431 > > It's a 22Mb mp3 file there just so you know. > > Chris > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:39 PM, ashley cooper < > mail.easilyama...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you, Harrison, Chris and Michael, for pondering my question. >> >> I appreciate that you've reinforced for me the purpose of grounding in the >> present moment... really being centered in the invitation to go deeper into >> the present moment... what IS happening, what is here before us now... to >> satiate in the experience that has emerged and become enlivened by what has >> unfolded. It's sacred, it's happened, it's here with us as a part of our >> being now because we've experienced it. We *get* to experience what is >> happening now. We don't have to worry about all the other what-ifs. Thank >> you for reminding me and reinforcing for me the importance of constantly >> inviting into that essential starting place of the present moment... and for >> focusing my attention on how slippery the slope of spending energy and >> attention on the alternative possibilities can be. I look forward to holding >> that more attentively within my own awareness. >> >> ... and I'll keep pondering if there are words that I can say that echo >> that "whatever..." intention for me with more clarity. ;) >> >> For me, I do experience the principles as an invitation. We are invited to >> be with one another in this way for this shared experience. Fortunately >> there is the Law, granting everyone the freedom to make their own conscious >> choices about their involvement, to accept or reject the principle's >> invitations. The principles help me shape the space. I've taken the time to >> set up tea and coffee because I think "you" might enjoy them. I like for the >> room to feel inviting and easily engagable because I want you to feel >> welcomed and feel free to engage. I also am taking the time to shape the >> space a little by sharing with you these principles and interesting little >> critters because I'd like for you to trust your inner knowing and be present >> with the life that is emerging here. My interest in pondering the language >> is simply an effort to make my invitations as clear as possible... >> >> Again, thanks so much for helping me reflect into this with you! >> >> And I'd love to know of other "facts of life" sayings that exist in other >> languages... including english. >> >> Warmly, >> Ashley >> in sunny Seattle >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpa...@boscop.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ashley, >>> to me the principles are perhaps principles and certainly not rules or as >>> Harrison says, prescriptions. Thus, as far as I am concerned there is no >>> "set of rules". Of course, the Law is different, it really is a Law and I >>> wish I had a surefire way of enforcing it!! So, maybe its not a Law even but >>> just an invitation. >>> But what often are called "the principles" are not really principles and >>> perhaps also not invitations. So what on earth are they. I have taken to >>> call them "facts of life". The way I ran into that "category" is by >>> discovering (or being told about) folk sayings for them, espcially for >>> "Whatever..". Having been cast into "sayings" by our ancestors suggests that >>> they are in fact "facts of life". >>> In German there are probably dozens of "sayings" for "Whatever...", >>> different ones for different regions and dialects. The best known by all >>> Germans is >>> "Wenn das Wörtchen Wenn nicht wär, wär mein Vater Millionär" >>> these sayings are often in Rhyme form. >>> In English it would be something like >>> "If it were not for the little word if, my father would be a millionär" >>> A more direct and juicy variety is >>> "Wenn der Hund nicht geschissen hätte, hätte er den Has gefangen" >>> In English something like >>> "If the dog had not stopped to take a shit he would have caught the >>> rabbit" (Actually, I am not sure its German because Jo Töpfer taught me that >>> one and he is heavily infected with Russian). >>> A more philosophical version, maybe one of the Germans in SF can try a >>> translation is >>> "Der Wenn und der Hät, hän no nie etwas gehäbt". >>> >>> As far as learning from this or that I myself find myself learning from >>> what actually happened. Reflecting on what did not happen or should have >>> happened or could have happened invariably leads me into speculations. That >>> does not enrich me so I imagine its not conducive to my learning and I think >>> I have pretty much given up on it...but I do remember what fun we had as >>> kids imagining winning in the lottery and what we would do with all that >>> money... >>> >>> Greetings from Berlin >>> mmp >>> >>> Harrison Owen wrote: >>> >>>> Ashley - Unfortunately I am not at OSONOS (wish I were) and I like what >>>> you >>>> wrote. Your thoughts and musings are all to the point, but I am not sure >>>> that rephrasing the principle will get you where you want to go. I grant >>>> you >>>> that the words could have been more eloquent, to say nothing of >>>> grammatical, >>>> but that is just sort of how they happened. You know - "Whatever >>>> happened. . >>>> ." But the real point, so far as I am concerned, is that this principle >>>> (as >>>> indeed all of them) is descriptive, not prescriptive. There is no >>>> "should" >>>> present or implied - just an observation of present reality. At least >>>> that >>>> is the way it seemed at the time. Where one goes from there is an open >>>> question, and a rich one. Hopes and expectations are great, and >>>> searching >>>> for alternative possibilities is obviously a key element of our adaptive >>>> behavior which lies at the root of our continuing evolution as a person >>>> and >>>> as a people. But unless all that starts from a clear point of grounding >>>> in >>>> the present moment, it seems to me that we can quickly lose our way. It >>>> is >>>> also true that were we to become so infatuated with what "might" take >>>> place; >>>> we may well miss the opportune richness of the moment. So for me it is >>>> all >>>> about a starting place, an invitation to be present. It is also an >>>> invitation to go deeper into this present moment. For me that has always >>>> been the jump off place for truly amazing journeys. >>>> >>>> Harrison >>>> >>>> >>>> Harrison Owen >>>> >>>> 7808 River Falls Drive >>>> >>>> Potomac, Maryland 20854 >>>> >>>> Phone 301-365-2093 >>>> >>>> Skype hhowen >>>> >>>> Open Space Training <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> >>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Open Space Institute <http://www.openspaceworld.org/> >>>> www.openspaceworld.org >>>> >>>> Personal website <http://www.ho-image.com/> www.ho-image.com >>>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the >>>> archives >>>> Visit: <http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html> >>>> >>>> www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of >>>> ashley >>>> cooper >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:29 PM >>>> To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >>>> Subject: Whatever happens.... >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello friends around the world, >>>> >>>> Feeling those gathered in San Francisco, swimming in the hearty open >>>> space >>>> soup, I find a myself pondering a topic I would host if I were there... >>>> a >>>> topic I'd love to have a conversation around. >>>> I'm curious about the wording of the principle, "what ever happens is >>>> the >>>> only thing that could have". I know John Engle brought this question up >>>> in >>>> the past >>>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/news/2007/05/11/whatever-happens/ and >>>> I'm still curious about it. >>>> >>>> I find that people sometimes use it as a block to reflection, a reason >>>> to >>>> not look back and learn from what didn't happen because "whatever >>>> happens is >>>> the only thing that could have." Yes, and... >>>> I love the principle for the acceptance that it invites. And I struggle >>>> with >>>> it because there is a sense of finality that it also invites (if you >>>> want to >>>> let yourself go there). We did what we did and that's, that. Which is >>>> true... And... >>>> >>>> I appreciate how in Haiti they are playing with What Happens is what >>>> happens >>>> - learn and move forward. I like the learn and keep moving part. >>>> >>>> Are there other ways that people phrase this principle? How do you >>>> invite >>>> the spirit of acceptance and invitations to be with what is alive and >>>> happening in the moment, while also inviting reflection and learning >>>> from >>>> what has and has not emerged? >>>> >>>> If anyone at WOSonOS is reading this and you find this conversation >>>> springing up in your face to face time, please do share your harvest >>>> with >>>> us. I'm contemplating posting a skype session tomorrow morning on this >>>> topic... and I've not yet been able to commit myself to being inside at >>>> the >>>> computer tomorrow morning!! >>>> >>>> Alive and grateful, >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> * * ========================================================== >>>> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To >>>> subscribe, >>>> unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >>>> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: >>>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >>>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >>>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> ========================================================== >>>> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >>>> view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: >>>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >>>> >>>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >>>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >>>> >>>> >>> * >>> * >>> ========================================================== >>> >>> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >>> ------------------------------ >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >>> view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: >>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >>> >>> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >>> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >>> >> >> >> >> * * ========================================================== >> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To >> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> > > > > -- > CHRIS CORRIGAN > Facilitation - Training - Process Design > Open Space Technology > > Weblog: http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot > Site: http://www.chriscorrigan.com > > Principal, Harvest Moon Consultants, Ltd. > http://www.harvestmoonconsultants.com > * * ========================================================== > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To > subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about > OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
