Dear Ivana et all I am based in the Netherlands and did a couple of Open Space's the last seven years. Also for hyerarchical organisation's (for the Shared Service Centre of the govenermental departments, for several local and several national police-organizations, a waterbooard, for Fortis (which is a big Dutch-Belgium Bank), an big insurrance company Just to name a few. In my experience there is a lot of 'space' here in the Netherlands for Open Space!! Seems a good iedea to start small, but then you boss is not very enthusiastic. So what I can tell that it seems to me that here the bosses higher in hyerarchie are far more willing to 'take a risk' and try something different. So can you find a way to talk with somebody who shares your passion for the subject and is higher in hyerarchie?? If I can be of any help, please let me know. tel: 0031653927407 or c...@tg.nl warm regards
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Have spoken to my immediate manager and tried to plant the seed, but his response was that you cannot do that kind of thing in a hyerarchical organisation as this one, it would never work, people would never talk to each other, we still don't know the extent of our problems therefore we cannot yet make a plan. My response to all of those arguments is: perfect. We need to do Open Space. His response was: no, no... we can't do that. We first have to have direction and plan, then we can think of doing something like that. My response was... no, no, no... now is the perfect time, precisely because nobody knows how to start, nobody can make a good plan, etc... Anyway, I didn't convinvce him yet. But I want to. I need to find somebody who has done it in ING Amsterdam (or Holalnd) and who is prepared to talk about it to my boss. Please scour your networks and put us all in touch with those who have already done it or are doing it in a hyerarchical set-up and are available for a chat in Amsterdam... Thank you Ivana Henri Lipmanowicz <henri.lipmanow...@verizon.net> wrote: Ivana, Are you inside the organization or are you an outside consultant? If you are inside in what position or role are you? You write that you are working on a project; is there at least one opportunity for you to use OST on the smallest scale so that management doesn't need to make any decision? You just do it and people start experiencing OST. The point is to focus on what is the immediate first step that is possible with the resources at hand. One experience however little will be more effective than a million presentations. Then see what happens and figure out the second step. Henri On n'entend bien qu'avec le coeur L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Ivana Balazevic-Fisher wrote: HI all I wonder if anybody has heard that the OST was done in ING Amsterdam, or ING in the rest of Netherlands. I am working on a project which is crying out for some open space, crisis after crisis happens, and they never get "resoved" but just white-washed only to reappear in similar disguise 3 months on. People get recruited, 3 months later they get sacked because of crisis, then they get recruited again etc... See-saw if ever I saw one. This calls for some grass-root action, lots of open space for anybody who cares. But - how to sell it to management? The mindsets are as they are, things have "always been done this way", nobody even thinks that grass roots could be consulted..... Therefore, looking for somebody who has done it in ING already, or done it in Amsterdam, who could give me one or two hints as to how to sell this upwards from the ground level, to managers who (most probably) would not believe that a thing like that could happen ever, anywhere. Thoughts? 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