Chris – I am not quite sure what you meant by, “often work closely with people 
not only to write an invite but practice it as well,” but what I heard (or 
maybe wanted to hear??) that you were talking about was what I guess could be 
called “coaching.” Doing an Open space is one thing, but building upon that 
experience in an ongoing way to the profit and betterment of the 
organization/group is the next level up, as far as I am concerned. I am not 
talking about, “becoming an Open Space organization” if only because I 
sincerely believe that all organizations are already there. They may just not 
realize the fact, or are doing it badly (less than optimally). Strange I 
suppose, but it all comes from the notion that we live in a self organizing 
(Open Space) world, not as a matter of choice – but rather a simple fact of our 
existence. Right up there with The Pull of Gravity. Comes with the territory. 
But we can all live our lives elegantly and well or just bumble through. This 
has nothing to do with resources or the lack of same. It is all about personal 
and organizational style – although resources (education, money, etc) certainly 
can help. But an abundance of resource is not sufficient, and in fact may be a 
detriment. Fastest way to kill a good idea is to throw money at it, I think. 
The key is  fully utilizing All our resources – the full power of the 
community. And here’s where coaching (can) come in. Helping people to 
understand and practice the thought the full power of the community manifests 
when, and only when, it is REALLY invited. You can’t command it, you can’t 
control it, you can’t force it –  you MUST invite it. Of course that invitation 
can be refused, but that is the nature of a real invitation. Helping people to 
get to that point would be a major opportunity, I think. So – Chris, even if I 
have totally misunderstood (represented) you, thanks for the opportunity.

 

ho 

 

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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Corrigan
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: On "Failure" / Invitations

 

Echoing Michael's approach here. I learned this from him many years ago, to pay 
attention to the clarity of the first five minutes. 

 

Where it gets sticky is in the gut check conversation and that can take time 
too. But I also want to put in a plug for skillful practice of invitation. I 
often work closley with people not only to write an invite but practice it as 
well. In other words beyond just hitting the send button I find that it 
supports action better if people use their networks to invite more deeply. When 
the meeting is over these networks often become the place where people continue 
to connect to execute action. 

 

And as for my OS that failed I will say that the shape sometimes doesn't 
matter. I always try to put people in a circle but on the odd occaision when 
that hasn't been possible i have still managed to do fine. 

 

There is rather something in what I can only call the energetic architecture of 
open space that needs paying attention to. Even under dire logistical 
conditions getting that right seems to make all the difference. 

 

That architecture consists of things like the real business issue, the 
invitation, the authentic desire to let go of control and outcome on both the 
client and the facilitators part and something about the quality of the space. 
Get those things right and you have the actual conditions for space to open. 
Get them wrong and even the most orthodox execution of the process will fall 
flat and seem like a failure. And people will see that as "open space doesn't 
work."

 

Chris

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On 2010-06-04, at 7:03 AM, Michael Herman <mich...@michaelherman.com> wrote:

yes.  this is exactly my experience, harrison, with some exceptions for those 
cases where the sponsor was already so thought-into the scene that they didn't 
tell a very clear story.  but for vast majority of cases, my experiene goes 
like this...

phone rings.  caller introduces self and says some version of "calling about 
open space."  then proceeds to tick off the following... organization name, 
we've always been [whatever] sort of an organization, we've had this success or 
that success, but now things are different.  (or now we want them to be 
different.)  (or then must be different.)  we're up against this, that and/or 
the other obstacles or deadlines or usual custom (we have this same meeting 
every year)... and we want to do something different, so we thought open space 
might do the trick"

then we talk about who's coming, or should be coming; wehre it might happen, 
what's already in place, what sorts of documenting, how people already are 
talking in org with current systems, and then it comes back to... now what?  
and the only thing left is to pen the invite.  "invitation?" they ask, "what's 
that?"  -- and i always point out that they already said it, they just have to 
write it down and tidy it up a bit.

there is a bit of reality/gut checking.  there is a bit of fishing around on my 
part to see if they just want to do a different dance or if they really want it 
to rain this time.  do they want a different meeting or a different 
organization, but mostly, it's those first five sentences they give me on the 
phone.  

i always pay very close attention to those first five sentences.  not as easy 
by email.  sometimes when it starts that way we're able to recreate it quickly 
on the phone.  sometimes it takes a bit of swimming upstream.  

and maybe this is one of those lapses in attention... if i miss that moment of 
first, true clarity, when that space first opens and somebody dares to ask if 
things couldn't be different... you used to talk about that moment of 
"wondering...", harrison, then it might well be that no amount of thinking and 
such can replace it.  that's maybe the place where a lapse in the quality of 
attention, in those first lines and first few conversations, when client and i 
are still new to each other, where maybe things get more or less lined up for 
success or failure.

m



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On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:

One of the themes that seems to be surfacing here is the whole subject of 
Invitations. The Invitation (theme) is definitely important as it sets the 
raison d’être and frame for the gathering. I know that some people spend 
terrific amounts of time and effort crafting that invitation – but my 
experience has taken me in a different direction. In fact I have found that the 
effectiveness of the Invitation is (oddly) inversely proportional to 
time/effort expended. The key, I think is the necessity for a “real business 
issue” as a first condition for a functional Open Space. And a real business 
issue (no matter how you define business) is something that hits you right in 
the face. You don’t have to think about it very much, and in fact it is pretty 
hard to think about anything else. It is also usually true that the folks in 
the organization (those who might care) have already named it. That name might 
be something less than elegant and seemingly lacking in precision as an 
outsider might see it – but for those in the know, the people who care (exactly 
the right people for the Open Space) – they will instantaneously recognize 
“it.” Some years ago I received a call about doing an Open Space. After some 
initial, rather generalized conversation, the person on the other end of the 
line said in some deep pain, “Our system is broke in just about every way a 
system can be broken and everybody knows it.” As it happened that system 
(business) resided in the state of Arizona – and there was the theme and 
invitation. “Fixing Arizona: Issues and Opportunities.” There was no reason to 
give all the details, motivational encouragement, pleas for attendance. 
Everybody who cared already knew. 

 

Actually when you think about it, it is probably true that if you have to spend 
a lot of effort developing and clarifying the focal issue the chances are you 
don’t have a “real business issue.” That being the case, doing an Open Space 
may not be the appropriate way to go. Without the passion, focus, and caring 
not too much is likely to happen. I guess that is not too surprising as without 
passion, focus, and caring not too much happens in any other part of life 
either.

 

Harrison

 

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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Herman
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:50 PM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: On "Failure"

 

there are some situations that come to mind, harrison, but is sort of reminds 
me of that time when louise mitran brought all the drumming gear to one our 
trainings at the carleton.  she took a group out in one session and challenged 
them to play chaos.  they really had a heck of time doing it, sustaining it.  
for sure there were moments of discord and a lot of messiness, but the driving 
force underneath it all was the inclination, some sort collectively mutual 
invitation, to entrain with each other... and turn it into music.  so i was 
thinking not so much about any 'grand failures' but more those moments of 
confusion, facilitator choice points, apparent chaos, but pretty much i they 
always seem to resolve again.  moral of the story might be, when you find 
yourself under water, go with the flow, stay in relationship, let the river 
take you where it's choosing, try not to get stuck and hold your breath... 
you'll likely have another chance for opening and fresh air, soon enough, even 
if not exactly soon as you want or expect.  

that said, here are some of the situations that came to mind...

a buddy of mine called in sick the day before an event, so i walked in to open 
space with no experience with the group.  the managers had written the 
invitation, and invited 100 folks to come work on the issues that made their 
stomachs churn, hands sweat, or kept them up at night worrying.  the were 
working from a language they'd developed around "adaptive challenges" based on 
a book they'd read together.  when the issues all went up, the managers, who 
had their own list of issues, looked at the wall, they were astounded to see 
that the group had covered all of the mgrs issues.  mission accomplished, or so 
it would seem.  next day, however, morning news sort of blew up because all the 
lower level folks were feeling a bit disheartened, thought they'd failed 
miserably, because they hadn't found a single issue that really scared them.  
turns out what was freaking the mgrs out was just the everyday challenge to 
folks down the hierarchy.  the disheartening got turned more confusing when 
some of the younger managers, who were very hot for this new language they'd 
come up with from this book, tried hard to impose a "training" in the right way 
to talk about these things.  made for a long morning news and then required the 
miracle of "the group catching up" to the schedule... but none of that is 
particularly remarkable.  in the end, all the issues that mattered got 
discussed, documented, and they made a good run at tackling the various things 
that were identified for doing post-meeting.  

so is this even a failure?  could it have been if i'd made some different 
choicse along the way?  maybe, maybe not.  depends on the definitions, i think. 
 certainly it was a deviation from the story told in the user's guide.  but we 
recovered.  and i think that's what happens in every, or almost every, case.  

some of the recoveries happen before the event.  the client dodges the real 
issue and writes an invitation that says "come to an open space meeting."  
well, that's not much of a theme, unless it's an osonos.  so we fix that, go 
deeper, dare to invite the real thing and get on with it.

then they want to have three short keynoters to open.  well maybe we talk them 
out of that, maybe we don't.  once we had two of three keynoters cancel.  so 
one guy talked for 20 mins instead of his allotted 10.  circle was 200, 
statewide group, very diverse, never worked together.  big issue.  but this guy 
was more readily associated and more active in one side of the story.  it set 
up a sort of competition because some felt heard and addressed in teh opening, 
but others thought they'd been put in second place.  i motioned to the sponsor 
to pull the plug.  he went out and put an arm around the guy, thanked him and 
said "let's get started".  i walked in, past the podium he'd been standing at.  
with one hand, i tipped it over, laid it down.  by the time i got back around 
to that point of th circle, interns had carried it off.  but the damage was 
done.  later that morning, one of two key sponsors comes to me and says "fix 
it.  my people are pissed."  she happens to be the one who's got to sign my 
check.  i tell her honestly, "now can do.  it's in their hands now."  on the 
second day, it started to be dealt iwth directly, our friend ted ernst raised 
an issue that began to put the two 'sides' together.  we came up with tons of 
good stuff, over 2.5 days, but i think it took another couple of annual 
repetitions of this first event before everybody really felt like they were on 
the same side.  didn't help, probably, that one sponsor was a foundation, 
funding some and not others.  but that's the messiness we work in.  i'm not 
sure that co-sponsor's view of the thing ever improved, though she did take a 
lead role in convening after-event meetings.  a city-wide coalition came out of 
those meetings and is now active and very successful 9 years later.

then there is the client who -- after sprinkling a day of open space sessions 
into a week of meetings, 150 top people from around the world, fortune 150 
company, all the c-folks there -- came to me, as the proceedings were just 
finished being printed, and said "the ceo says we can't distribute these.  
there's no time.  he hasn't read them. etc."  i pushed hard for a conversation 
with the ceo and got a very few minutes, in which i was able to convince notice 
that he was trying to stop them from giving out notes about waht everyone in 
the room was already thinking and speaking about.  he agreed that it was more 
dangerous to get in the way of it than to just let it go.  but he scuttled the 
session, can't recall the exact form, of the prioritizing or conversing or 
voting or something that was to be done with the rpoceedings.  actually, i seem 
to remember people have to go through and tear out the ballot pages from the 
books.  luckily spiral bound, so the page was never missed.

and then there is the client that thinks that all they need to do is call the 
meeting to order, the facilitator will take it from there, and they're off the 
hook forever.  you think you've got them lined up, they get it, they're on for 
it.. but deep down they want out.  this is the sponsor who might let slip in 
the opening intro "well, glad you all could get here.  we have no idea what's 
going to happen.  that's michael's problem now...".  oops.  checked out.  and 
when the notes were all assembled, the client i'm thinking of mysteriously 
managed to avoid sending them out for several weeks.  mostly the high-end 
consultants in this company, who'd travelled from everywhere to london for this 
meeting think this meeting failed.  no follow-through.  but... eventually one 
person, brand new in the office and company, stepped up, got the notes from the 
leader, sorted things out and sent them around to everyone.  the conversation 
never recovered, but four years later, it seems that that moment of leadership 
on the part of the new person set her up to take on a leadership role in 
rebuilding their entire technology platform.  again, failure depends on 
definition and time frame.

but mostly i don't think of open spaces that failed, as much as some were more 
fruitful than others, apparently, and moments when it was possible to take the 
easy way out, letting that ceo do what he wanted without challenge, instead of 
hanging in, and hanging with, no matter what, again, apparently, happens to me 
personally.

m




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On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> wrote:

Michael – it would be really interesting to hear some actual situations where 
what you are describing is true. I’ve never seen it, but I did hear of one. It 
happened in South Africa where a local consultant took Open Space as a license 
for absence. He literally left for most of the day. As it turned out (as I 
heard from one of the participants) the group really didn’t miss him, and was 
basically sorry to see him return. And that same participant was sure that 
there had to be something more than he had seen. As a consequence he came to a 
“training program” (back in the days when I used to do something like that J) 
and subsequently opened space all over the place. So I guess there was a happy 
ending after a rocky start. Or something. 

 

But you really put your finger on something – “active listening” – which is not 
so much about doing anything but rather Being intensely.  Definitely hard to 
describe but my best shot is the enigmatic phrase – Being totally present and 
absolutely invisible. In my experience this is a matter of intention and 
practice. And the best part is that it is all definitely rewarding, not only in 
terms of facilitating Open Space, but equally in terms of self understanding 
and personal presence. It feels good.

 

Harrison

 

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From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Herman
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:41 PM


To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu

Subject: Re: On "Failure"

 

i have a teacher who likes to put little reminders on pencils and pass them 
around.  one of my favorite pencils says:  "really easy is often quite 
difficult."  

i think this is true of open space.  i've seen a number of situations where the 
facilitator or the process itself was assumed to be a bit of magic, so nobody 
needed to do much else to make it happen.  this makes all kinds of large and 
small "failures" possible -- all owing to some lapses in the quality of 
attention, awareness, relationship.

somebody once told me that carl rogers (some sort of psychologist, i think) 
used to listen so intently that he would often break out in a sweat -- just 
listening to someone.  sometimes i think open space takes this sort of quality 
or intensity of attention... or maybe of awareness.  that the heart is this 
active, even if the body is apparently doing nothing.  like when so many 
muscles are engaged in walking a balance beam, or timing a jump.  actively 
pulsing, checking, on and off, holding and releasing, inviting and reporting.  

i'd guess a fair number of "failures" have their roots in forgetting that os is 
this sort of active practice, even if a lot of the action is not outwardly 
visible or dramatic or difficult.  weirdenss seems to flow from gaps in 
clarity, in attention, in awareness, in relationship.  not so much, i think, 
from gaps in actual outer logistics.  

m





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On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:07 PM, VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE 
<m...@visuelle-protokolle.de> wrote:

Harrison and all,

Another example of an OS that went terribly wrong:

It was a factory producing printing machines, both in Eastern and western 
Germany, and the participants were mixed from both areas. We had the o.k. from 
the four directors, to whom we had illustrated what to expect, and a final 
conference after the OS was already determined. One of the directors, the one 
who seemed to be the most employee-oriented, was choosen to say some words at 
the end of the OS. Our partner in the company was a young man from HR, very 
active, with good contacts to the directors. So he insisted that he should 
brief the director what to say at the end of OS.

Everything went fine. The groups worked with joy and enthusiasm. We accompanied 
the whole OS with 3 people visualizing everything, and that was a big success, 
because  everybody could see what had happened everywhere. After we had shown 
the pictures in a final slideshow, the director stood up and destroyed 
everything within 5 minutes. He said that he was disappointed, had expected 
other outcomes, and that the managers wood have a hard time to use some of the 
results.

That was the end of the project for us, but much worse all the participants 
were angry and a big chance was lost for the company.

Of course the mistake was to let the young HR-man brief the director. 

Reinhard

Reinhard Kuchenmüller 
Dr. Marianne Stifel
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Am 03/06/10 18:12 schrieb "Ralph Copleman" unter <rcople...@comcast.net>:

Harrison and all,

I've had a few that sort of fell flat.

One involved a group concerned about availability of services for senior 
citizens across an entire US state.  Two-thirds of the room consisted of 
seniors themselves and, frankly, a lot of them ran out of energy about an hour 
after lunch.  So they sat around, a number slumping in chairs with eyes closed.

Another involved an exploration of customer service issues for an airline.  
Lots of corporate leaders from the airline present, along with their booking 
agents (this pre-dates internet booking sites), frequent flyer customers, and 
corporate travel execs who make travel policy for their companies.  A great 
mix, actually.  We were set to go from 8:00 a.m to 4:00.  About 2:00, a group 
of participants more or less seized control of the meeting somehow (I wasn't in 
the room when it occurred) and got everyone to agree to shorten the meeting by 
a full hour.  When I returned at 3:00, someone simply informed me, and asked 
that I begin the closing circle.  So that's what I did.  I never found out what 
actually happened.

Not sure how to think about that last one, since I never found out how it all 
developed, but the following one is more like a true failure.

I was asked to convene a two-day open space gathering for about 200 folks from 
around the US.  It would be the annual meeting of an association of a certain 
type of public health officer (cannot recall the details).  The whole thing was 
pretty dead from the outset –– I mean 200 people posting a total of only 15 
sessions for two whole days!?  I found out the theme was all wrong.  The 
planning committee chose an idea that turned out to have no juice for the 
association's members.  I had spent hours in conference calls with the 
leadership group and the planning committee, and they'd assured me that the 
idea they chose was at the heart of the challenges facing them and their 
organizations.  Turns out that was dead wrong.  Nobody else cared.  I don't 
know how I might have seen through this situation ahead of time.

I essentially agree with you, H.  If the conditions are appropriate, it will 
work.  But, if the three experiences above teach me anything, it's clear that 
stuff can always happens.

Ralph Copleman

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