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NEW: Intensive Learning Workshop "Playing with the Waves of Change" www.change-facilitation.com/ You want to have the design for a "Playing with the Waves (of Change) WS 2 completely taylor-made according to your individual learning interests & needs & limitations? Then have a look to the questionnaire at www.surveymonkey.com/s/5ZDS6JQ If you get Email from my account <bernd.we...@change-facilitation.org> please do not use the reply button but answer to <web...@gmx.at>, because my change-facilitation.org INBOX is not working for the time being. Am 08.06.2011 um 17:22 schrieb <donna.r...@managing4wellness.org> <donna.r...@managing4wellness.org>: > Well, I'm not sure that place should not be included. There is some really > interesting work being done in the OS Department at Saybrook University on > the "power of place." If anyone is interested, I'll go dig it out. Best, > Donna > > <sigimg1.png> > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [OSList] FW: Welcome to the 5th principle in order to remain > 4 > From: "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net> > Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 2:14 pm > To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > > I think I’ve found the secret. It is not so much what I said – but what we > all said which was “carried along” as a continuation of the thread. So the > answer is Delete, Delete, Delete. > > Maybe? > > Harrison > > > > Jorge – Welcome! And don’t stay away so long!! > > Two principles about “time.” You’re right! But are both necessary? I thought > so at the time (bad pun J). The principles (all of them) popped into my head > over a period of years as I noticed the strange things that happened in Open > Space – and particularly the strange things that appeared to perplex people. > I found myself enunciating the principles as a way of pointing out what they > were likely to run into and to suggest that, strange as it might seem, > everything would work out just fine. > > The first Principle should make the point. Everybody was always concerned > that the “right” people come to a meeting. Usually they meant those people > with the political position, the appropriate authority, or the right > expertise. The experience, however, went in a very different direction. Often > it seemed like that even if NONE of the “right” people showed up still very > useful things happened. I confess it took me a while to figure out why that > might be true – but from the start, it just seemed like a fact of life. > Counter-intuitive as it might seem, “Whoever comes is the right people.” > > The two “time” Principles showed up for similar reasons. Obviously they are > both about time, but very different sorts of time. There is “beginning” time > and “ending” time. And people seemed very concerned about each, but for > different reasons. I noticed that folks were often sweating the fact that we > might not start “on time.” But I also noticed that whenever we started, > everything seemed to work out just fine – hence, “Whenever it starts is the > right time.” > > Ending time is a different creature. And most people just really don’t want > to talk about it. In extreme situations that sort of time is called “death.” > But even in more proximate situations, “ending” is something we would rather > not confront. Hopefully, things will just go on forever. But the don’t! All > of this becomes quite difficult when we spend a lot of time and effort > keeping something going, when in fact it is already ended. Dead so to speak. > Companies that have seen better days and should just retire from the field of > battle with a good funeral just keep plugging away, wasting massive amounts > of human energy and Spirit. In truth they would do everybody a favor, > themselves included, if they would just admit the obvious, It’s over! Hence > the Principle: “When it is over, it’s over.” > > There is really nothing very arcane and deep theory about these 5 Principles. > Just funny things I’ve noticed that sometimes seem to get in people’s way as > they move in Open Space. The Principles don’t actually change a thing. What’s > going to happen will. But when folks have a “heads-up” it seems to make it a > little easier for them. > > Harrison > > Harrison Owen > 7808 River Falls Dr. > Potomac, MD 20854 > USA > Phone 301-365-2093 > www.openspaceworld.com > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST > Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Jorge amigo > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:11 AM > To: 'Jorge amigo'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' > Subject: Re: [OSList] Welcome to the 5th principle in order to remain 4 > > Dear community > I would like to delve a little deeper on the idea that I have raised with the > title "Welcome the 5th principle in order to remain 4”. > First, tell you I appreciate and value the open space is OSLIST virtual. I am > basically a peripheral participant OSLIST. Very few times I've written > something, but I am a legitimate peripheral to live in freedom and > responsibility to participate from time to time on subjects that interest me. > And this has been the case. The appearance of the reflections and comments on > the 5 th Principle has interested me. I believe that the talks that have > emerged on this new principle have been a great contribution to cultivate the > spirit of the OS, for to flourish his essence. > The foundations for the incorporation of this new principle seem solid and > have been exhibited with clarity by Harrison Owen and others. This new > principle, - which has always been there-, makes me much sense incorporate it > into the opening of OS, because it provides an essential distinction to the > experience of the spirit of the OS. > But it was his appearance that made me take a fresh look to each of the other > Principles. I wondered what was the equivalent contribution of each one, > which led me to review the focus and the ideas associated with each. > The focus of the first principle is people. The recognition that whatever is > done will be done by people who are there. In our practice as facilitators, > with my dear friend Juan Luis, enunciated this principle as "somos los que > estamos, estamos los que somos" an expression that our culture promotes the > idea that those are the best people to carry out the task . This focus > responds to the who / whom > The focus of the second, the action is, what is happening, what people do, > the experience of what I will do - we will do, I do - we do, I did – we did. > The lived process, the successful product. It responds to what > For me, the focus of the third and fourth principle is only one, is time. > Present as one principle helps to raise awareness of the relationship we have > with time. From the experience of time to create, to learn. To start and > finish. The title of this merger could be "when it starts, it starts, When it > is over, it is over." This focus responds to when > And there is the new principle, which brings the experience of space itself. > The place of meeting, whatever, will always be an appropriate place. There is > the worry about whether he could be in a better place, once there, this is > the right place. Responds to where. > That's how I came to wonder the idea of welcoming the principle 5 in order > to remain 4. > But also in terms of form, I like the idea of 4 to 5 Principles. I think > four is more harmonious with the circle of the OS figure. Shape 4 shows key > dimensions of life: the 4 cardinal points, the 4 seasons, the 4 basic > elements and others. Finally, also, that less is more. > But maybe I'm not seeing something important to justify the two principles > associated with the time necessary and useful to present them separately. If > so, please ask me what they indicate. > OS has been effective so far as it is and I believe that the Principles are 4 > or 5, does not add anything significant. In any case, try my idea in the next > OS to provide. > Finally, reflect on the subject I have found attractive, I recreated the > spirit of OS. > A hug for everyone and we hope in Chile, the right place for the next > Wosonos. > Jorge Amigo > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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