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Re: How do we manage time in an evening+morning shortish OS? > (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?) > (Eleder_BuM) > 2. Re: How do we manage time in an evening+morning shortish OS? > (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted people?) > (Suzanne Daigle) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:37:13 +0100 > From: Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtene...@gmail.com> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we manage time in an evening+morning > shortish OS? (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted > people?) > Message-ID: > <cak1+_w9cqyt0avg0zu2evpzdz8gfjmjw_a8v7edk0z_zou1...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi lovely people around! Some lines with feedback of one OS meeting I > presented on the list. > > The Open Space meeting in Zerain has been fantastic and has offered us some > learning also. Here you can watch a picture of the opening in the church of > the village and read the conversations? > reports<http://zerainherrieredua.wordpress.com/>. > Have you got any Basque speaker around? A good chance to approach her/him > for a coffee,.. :o)! > > At last, no one from "the critics" came. They were invited, they liked the > idea,... but no one came around. Would they have come if we as facilitators > had met them in a previous meeting? How could we have the sponsors and > thier critics to think the big question and write and expand the invitation > together? > > Sponsors seemed easy with this, though, ("we invited them, we would have > liked them in,... but whoever comes,...". Yes, the 1st principle brought > them a big amount of serenity...:o)! > > Maybe next time? This will be an important issue in the evaluation meeting. > > People loved OS. Many of them said at the closing thinks like... > "I was very afraid of such a long meeting,... and it happened to feel > short..." > "I was afraid of one more fashion technique, that tend to be mainly > bubbles,... but this felt very simple and deep stuff..." > > After reading your wise advice, finally, I opted to open the possibility > for new subjects+action proposals during the second morning (The OS, was > Friday 16:00-21:00 + Saturday 10:00-14:00). The group stayed in just more > conversations (not much action proposed yet), with some inspirations for > future action, yes. My learning here was clear. As Lisa had suggested, it > would have been easier for me to propose from the beginning a just > conversation OS. Perhaps asking (in the last 30 minutes before the closing) > for action ideas and quick multivoting, maybe . > > Thanks so much for your support, > > xoxo, > > @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> > > pd: I co-facilitated with someone new to OS, but very experienced in other > kinds of facilitation, Asier Gallastegi <http://korapilatzen.com/blog/>, > and the work as a tandem was fantastic. I (no car) even drove his car (he > has no licence) :D! Besides, he has done a great visual documenting work, > and we?ll be editing and publishing it soon. > > > > > > 2012/10/23 Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtene...@gmail.com> > >> Some weeks ago I asked some questions regarding and OS in which we had a >> big concern: how to invite a small and conflicted group (you can see the >> message below),... After a conversation beween both parts it seems that >> this group is willing to come to the OS. >> >> Now I come with another question. >> >> - the subject is quite broad (*The self-managing model of our town: >> how do we make it a continually innovating one? *. You can see context >> and subject below). >> - we have scheduled Friday (16:00-21:00) & Saturday (10:00-14:00), >> shiortish I would say, for such a wide topic and conflicted context,... >> - we told the promotors that we would have action proposals and first >> meetings during the second morning... and I?m thinking now that might be an >> error. I?m afraid that we are giving too short time for just >> conversations as they emerge, forcing a bit all the stuff to have a report >> with *recommended actions* >> >> The thing as we had proposed would be sth like: >> >> Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17: first convs; 18: 15; 2nd convs; >> 19: 30: 3rd convs 20: 45 evening news >> >> Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; 10:30 Action proposals 11:00 Action >> teams meetings 12:30 Action teams short reports 13:00 closing >> >> *I would like better now sth more spaced and real* (things tend to delay >> a bit around here :o), like: >> >> Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17:30 first convs; 19:00 2nd convs; >> 20:30 evening news >> >> Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; *10:30 3rd convs *(from first day >> proposals)* 12:00 Action proposals+meetings+short reporting *13:30 closing >> >> but this kind of Saturday morning would be new to me, combining stuff from >> first day proposals with time for action proposals,...convening the big >> dircle at midday 12:00 for new action proposals,... and I feel a bit >> unsure that would be working fine... >> >> Any similar experience? Any suggestions? >> >> Love, >> >> ** <https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM>@Eleder_BuM >> www.flowandshow.blogspot.com (En) www.burumapak.blogspot.com (Basque) >> www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com (Sp) www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz (radio) >> >> >> >> Context: >> A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years >> experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, >> but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get >> involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the >> official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more >> voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for >> the next 4 years. >> >> Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes >> been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part >> regularly),... >> >> Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. "It?s >> just we the people who govern ourselves". >> >> Sponsor: >> The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician >> paid. >> >> Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a >> continually innovating one? * >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtene...@gmail.com> >> Date: 2012/9/14 >> Subject: How do we invite key and high conflicted people? >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list < >> OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >> >> >> Hi all ! >> >> Last day we had the first meeting with the sponsors of a 1?5 OS. We expect >> som 70 participants. >> We could define the subject, dates (9th & 10th Nov). We designed the >> invitation text and process. We arranged for the logistics,... >> >> There?s still something important un solved. I?ll try to explain it >> shortly: >> >> Context: >> A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years >> experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, >> but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get >> involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the >> official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more >> voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for >> the next 4 years. >> >> Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes >> been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part >> regularly),... >> >> Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. "It?s >> just we the people who govern ourselves". >> >> Sponsor: >> The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician >> paid. >> >> Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a >> continually innovating one? * >> >> There?s *a group of some 10 people highly opposed to the managing and >> ruling model*. They have become a problem for the ruling team. The mayor >> said on the meeting: *"I would like to sleep well after taking >> decissions..."*. They are part of main political parties and are said to >> be planning to "break the self-management tradition ". Last months they >> have written and put in the post-boxes of the neighbours very critical >> annonimous writings against the council team,... >> >> Invitation: >> >> The sponsors want* to have all the people from the town rethink, adapt, >> their model. They want that everyone feels part of it. They want that even >> the minorities can feel represented. * >> >> But they say that "the others" just usually say ?*"I don?t like this; >> neither this; neither this,... "* but don?t help to solve anything. >> >> We?ll invite, too, people from outside the village to enrich the >> conversations, bring some fresh air and new views,... >> >> Problem: >> They think that this "10 opponents" will probably refuse coming. Everyone >> of us agreed that the OS would be richer if they take part. That conflict >> could transform in great new process,... >> >> During the meeting we agreed that the person of the sponsors (council team >> of 7) in best terms with the "leader" of the opponents would meet her and >> explain that the OS will be a good opportunity to find solutions to the >> conflict and grow for everyone,... >> >> Some questions: >> >> - how would you act as facilitators? >> - Should we just wait and see? >> - If, as expected, they decline the invitation, should we as "neutral" >> facilitators have another try to have then come? >> - Should we contact the sponsors before they meet the opponents and >> ask to be present during this invitation meeting? >> - Could it be better to tell the sponsor "let us contact the opponents >> directly and meet them, as you are part of the conflict and they will >> probably refuse you"? >> - Could we invite them to co-write the invitation, to take part in the >> designing process?... >> >> After several OS processes facilitated since Berlin, this one is probably >> the one that best fits the 5 conditions for OS... it has deep conflict! I?m >> eager with it, yeah! And I would really love to have *all *the system in >> the room, and the highly conflicted minority are an important part, I >> guess... >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Enjoy this great day, >> >> Eleder >> >> @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> (Twitter) >> www.burumapak.blogspot.com >> www.flowandshow.blogspot.com >> <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121115/2bbd230c/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:55:00 -0500 > From: Suzanne Daigle <sdaig...@gmail.com> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] How do we manage time in an evening+morning > shortish OS? (II part of:: How do we invite key and high conflicted > people?) > Message-ID: > <cajh+flcn78ou-daj-nbwwhwggbewbzpqys3f-prg-2yr604...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wonderful Eleder! Loved reading this and feeling the energy of the group. > On Nov 15, 2012 4:40 AM, "Eleder_BuM" <eleder.aurtene...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi lovely people around! Some lines with feedback of one OS meeting I >> presented on the list. >> >> The Open Space meeting in Zerain has been fantastic and has offered us >> some learning also. Here you can watch a picture of the opening in the >> church of the village and read the conversations? >> reports<http://zerainherrieredua.wordpress.com/>. >> Have you got any Basque speaker around? A good chance to approach her/him >> for a coffee,.. :o)! >> >> At last, no one from "the critics" came. They were invited, they liked the >> idea,... but no one came around. Would they have come if we as facilitators >> had met them in a previous meeting? How could we have the sponsors and >> thier critics to think the big question and write and expand the invitation >> together? >> >> Sponsors seemed easy with this, though, ("we invited them, we would have >> liked them in,... but whoever comes,...". Yes, the 1st principle brought >> them a big amount of serenity...:o)! >> >> Maybe next time? This will be an important issue in the evaluation meeting. >> >> People loved OS. Many of them said at the closing thinks like... >> "I was very afraid of such a long meeting,... and it happened to feel >> short..." >> "I was afraid of one more fashion technique, that tend to be mainly >> bubbles,... but this felt very simple and deep stuff..." >> >> After reading your wise advice, finally, I opted to open the possibility >> for new subjects+action proposals during the second morning (The OS, was >> Friday 16:00-21:00 + Saturday 10:00-14:00). The group stayed in just more >> conversations (not much action proposed yet), with some inspirations for >> future action, yes. My learning here was clear. As Lisa had suggested, it >> would have been easier for me to propose from the beginning a just >> conversation OS. Perhaps asking (in the last 30 minutes before the closing) >> for action ideas and quick multivoting, maybe . >> >> Thanks so much for your support, >> >> xoxo, >> >> @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> >> >> pd: I co-facilitated with someone new to OS, but very experienced in other >> kinds of facilitation, Asier Gallastegi <http://korapilatzen.com/blog/>, >> and the work as a tandem was fantastic. I (no car) even drove his car (he >> has no licence) :D! Besides, he has done a great visual documenting work, >> and we?ll be editing and publishing it soon. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2012/10/23 Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtene...@gmail.com> >> >>> Some weeks ago I asked some questions regarding and OS in which we had a >>> big concern: how to invite a small and conflicted group (you can see the >>> message below),... After a conversation beween both parts it seems that >>> this group is willing to come to the OS. >>> >>> Now I come with another question. >>> >>> - the subject is quite broad (*The self-managing model of our town: >>> how do we make it a continually innovating one? *. You can see >>> context and subject below). >>> - we have scheduled Friday (16:00-21:00) & Saturday (10:00-14:00), >>> shiortish I would say, for such a wide topic and conflicted context,... >>> - we told the promotors that we would have action proposals and first >>> meetings during the second morning... and I?m thinking now that might be >>> an >>> error. I?m afraid that we are giving too short time for just >>> conversations as they emerge, forcing a bit all the stuff to have a report >>> with *recommended actions* >>> >>> The thing as we had proposed would be sth like: >>> >>> Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17: first convs; 18: 15; 2nd convs; >>> 19: 30: 3rd convs 20: 45 evening news >>> >>> Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; 10:30 Action proposals 11:00 Action >>> teams meetings 12:30 Action teams short reports 13:00 closing >>> >>> *I would like better now sth more spaced and real* (things tend to delay >>> a bit around here :o), like: >>> >>> Friday 15:30 reception; 16: openinng; 17:30 first convs; 19:00 2nd convs; >>> 20:30 evening news >>> >>> Saturday: 10:00 morning anouncements; *10:30 3rd convs *(from first day >>> proposals)* 12:00 Action proposals+meetings+short reporting *13:30 >>> closing >>> >>> but this kind of Saturday morning would be new to me, combining stuff >>> from first day proposals with time for action proposals,...convening the >>> big dircle at midday 12:00 for new action proposals,... and I feel a bit >>> unsure that would be working fine... >>> >>> Any similar experience? Any suggestions? >>> >>> Love, >>> >>> ** <https://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM>@Eleder_BuM >>> www.flowandshow.blogspot.com (En) www.burumapak.blogspot.com (Basque) >>> www.in-fluyendo.blogspot.com (Sp) www.bilbohiria.com/gaika/berbaz (radio) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Context: >>> A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years >>> experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, >>> but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get >>> involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the >>> official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more >>> voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for >>> the next 4 years. >>> >>> Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes >>> been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part >>> regularly),... >>> >>> Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. >>> "It?s just we the people who govern ourselves". >>> >>> Sponsor: >>> The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician >>> paid. >>> >>> Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a >>> continually innovating one? * >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Eleder_BuM <eleder.aurtene...@gmail.com> >>> Date: 2012/9/14 >>> Subject: How do we invite key and high conflicted people? >>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list < >>> OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >>> >>> >>> Hi all ! >>> >>> Last day we had the first meeting with the sponsors of a 1?5 OS. We >>> expect som 70 participants. >>> We could define the subject, dates (9th & 10th Nov). We designed the >>> invitation text and process. We arranged for the logistics,... >>> >>> There?s still something important un solved. I?ll try to explain it >>> shortly: >>> >>> Context: >>> A 300 people?s village council. They are proud for their 40 years >>> experience of self-management, very common in the ancient Basque tradition, >>> but very uncommon here, these days. Every 4 years people that want to get >>> involved in the administration will appear, and citizens choose (before the >>> official polls) who will be the representatives. Then the 7 people more >>> voted form the only list on the official polls and form the ruling team for >>> the next 4 years. >>> >>> Then, some 8 self-managed and executive teams are formed (whoever comes >>> been the right people; nowadays some 60-80 people taking part >>> regularly),... >>> >>> Political parties -that rule the neighbour towns- have no word here. >>> "It?s just we the people who govern ourselves". >>> >>> Sponsor: >>> The 7 elected people that now are ruling. 6 amateurs, just one technician >>> paid. >>> >>> Subject: *The self-managing model of our town: how do we make it a >>> continually innovating one? * >>> >>> There?s *a group of some 10 people highly opposed to the managing and >>> ruling model*. They have become a problem for the ruling team. The mayor >>> said on the meeting: *"I would like to sleep well after taking >>> decissions..."*. They are part of main political parties and are said to >>> be planning to "break the self-management tradition ". Last months they >>> have written and put in the post-boxes of the neighbours very critical >>> annonimous writings against the council team,... >>> >>> Invitation: >>> >>> The sponsors want* to have all the people from the town rethink, adapt, >>> their model. They want that everyone feels part of it. They want that even >>> the minorities can feel represented. * >>> >>> But they say that "the others" just usually say ?*"I don?t like this; >>> neither this; neither this,... "* but don?t help to solve anything. >>> >>> We?ll invite, too, people from outside the village to enrich the >>> conversations, bring some fresh air and new views,... >>> >>> Problem: >>> They think that this "10 opponents" will probably refuse coming. Everyone >>> of us agreed that the OS would be richer if they take part. That conflict >>> could transform in great new process,... >>> >>> During the meeting we agreed that the person of the sponsors (council >>> team of 7) in best terms with the "leader" of the opponents would meet her >>> and explain that the OS will be a good opportunity to find solutions to the >>> conflict and grow for everyone,... >>> >>> Some questions: >>> >>> - how would you act as facilitators? >>> - Should we just wait and see? >>> - If, as expected, they decline the invitation, should we as >>> "neutral" facilitators have another try to have then come? >>> - Should we contact the sponsors before they meet the opponents and >>> ask to be present during this invitation meeting? >>> - Could it be better to tell the sponsor "let us contact the >>> opponents directly and meet them, as you are part of the conflict and they >>> will probably refuse you"? >>> - Could we invite them to co-write the invitation, to take part in >>> the designing process?... >>> >>> After several OS processes facilitated since Berlin, this one is probably >>> the one that best fits the 5 conditions for OS... it has deep conflict! I?m >>> eager with it, yeah! And I would really love to have *all *the system in >>> the room, and the highly conflicted minority are an important part, I >>> guess... >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Enjoy this great day, >>> >>> Eleder >>> >>> @Eleder_BuM <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> (Twitter) >>> www.burumapak.blogspot.com >>> www.flowandshow.blogspot.com >>> <http://twitter.com/Eleder_BuM> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20121115/9bc0e3f2/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > End of OSList Digest, Vol 21, Issue 10 > **************************************
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