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El 26/03/2013, a las 15:39, paul levy <p...@cats3000.net> escribió: > A very small bit of a reply to your large question... > > I've worked with local government in the UK over the years. Government is > very document and formal meeting-led. Meetings tend to be bureaucratic and > very agenda-based and yet, in many meeitngs I've facilitated, the agenda is > often departed from, or even thrown out all together. often agenda items go > off at tangents and meetings get lost and frustrating. > > On occasions I've offered pop-up open space, described ere: > http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/pop-up-open-space/ > > A simple: "Hey why don't we open some space here and create a new agenda?" is > often welcomed, especially if, as facilitator, you are trusted. > > A quick market place and off we go. Some sessions form around pre-existing > agenda items, other new sessions emerge. > > I don't even bother with an intro to open space. That is one less thing to > do.I find there is so much pent-up frustration in many government employees > and a wish to get things not (not always but often), open space feels natural > and freeing up. > > Not always, but sometimes, a pop-up open space is a delightful alternative to > the traditional agenda-driven way of government and it can often thrive under > the radar of senior management officialdom? And how is that possible? For > this reason: government bureaucracy is rarely about process but often about > written records and minutes. In open space, sessions get written up, so who > cares higher up how we got there? > > Sometimes it works. Sometimes. > > Paul > > > On 26 March 2013 12:47, Kári Gunnarsson <kari.gunnars...@simnet.is> wrote: > It is closing on election day here in Iceland, several new political > parties are forming, some with parliamentarians from the older > parties. ... > > This idea that the modern western government system is closed and > siloed is worrying to me, I think it could be better. What would an > open space government system look like? > > > > On 25 March 2013 21:23, David Glenwinkel <da...@villagecare.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Harrison, > > > > I was a project trainer for Peace Corps Volunteers in the early 70’s, my mom > > was a country director. I have worked with PC guys on the ground in Kenya > > and Uganda, and it really revolutionized a few of them, one stayed with our > > work in Lugazi Uganda for over a year. In the end I just didn’t have the > > time and drive to work it “up the slope” to the right folks. Hopefully some > > human resources are coming together that might take us to the right place. > > You are so right about anything new or different not having as much chance > > as an ice cube in hell of getting anything but fried by our siloed and > > closed government system. > > > > > > > > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:01 PM > > > > > > To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' > > Subject: [OSList] Conversations with David (retitled) > > > > > > > > Thanks Tricia! Great to have this summary here on OSLIST. I know there are > > lots of other electronic venues (Google Docs, etc) that are > > better/sexier/whatever – but having something HERE accomplishes two very > > useful things, I think. First, it makes it easily available to the global OS > > community – some of whom are still running on Dial-up and don’t have all the > > newest bells and whistles. Secondly, having a place on OSLIST insures that > > the discussion will automatically become a part of the large and growing > > Archives of the OS experience. I forget how many years we’ve got going now, > > but it more than a few – and it is all searchable. So many thanks!! > > > > > > > > And a few comments: Peace Corps – As an old Peace Corps staff member (I mean > > really old, Liberia/’67-70), but with some continuing connections, I am sure > > that the Village Care approach could be a marvelous fit with some > > volunteers’ efforts. However, the way “in” does not run through Washington. > > In fact it is almost a rule that innovative program initiatives never start > > there. They start in the field with the volunteers. Washington support can > > be helpful, but a “Washington Initiated Program” most usually is Dead on > > Arrival. So David – with all your folks on the ground in Africa – just have > > them talk to the volunteers, and tell their story. > > > > > > > > As for the Cabbies – true story. Happened in Tembesa, which is near Jo’berg, > > RSA. There was indeed a little violence. The Cabbies were shooting each > > other for fares. Messy to say the least, and then somebody suggested an Open > > Space with all the Cabbies. They looked at me and thought I would jump at > > the chance. But the truth of the matter was, I was terrified. Can you > > imagine standing in the middle of a circle of armed cab drivers who had been > > shooting each other? That’s when I came up with Plan B – “Economic > > Development for Tembesa.” I figured with some more and different folks there > > at least might be some cover. > > > > > > > > Harrison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harrison Owen > > > > 7808 River Falls Dr. > > > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > > > USA > > > > > > > > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) > > > > Camden, Maine 04843 > > > > > > > > Phone 301-365-2093 > > > > (summer) 207-763-3261 > > > > > > > > www.openspaceworld.com > > > > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST > > Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > > > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia > > Chirumbole > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:39 AM > > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today! > > > > > > > > okey doke, text follows! > > > > > > > > I wanted a shared google doc so that we could have a running account that > > was both editable and accessible by everyone. So I sent an invite that > > allowed people to request access. > > > > > > > > SO, as a compromise, anyone interested in access to the google doc - let me > > know and I will invite you individually :) > > > > > > > > NOTES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > > > > > > > Village Care skype 1 > > > > · David shared the history and model for Village Care programs in > > Africa that are built on self-sufficiency and open space-style events. The > > programs involve gatherings that are usually 3 days with roughly 2 days > > structured facilitation and 1 day Open Space, along with many other > > elements. > > > > o There are a few different program types including: Basic home practices > > and Outcomes for Business. > > > > o David will share the detailed program description upon request. > > > > · Participants shared their interest in and questions about the > > Village Care program – David answered a number of our specific queries. > > > > · Participants shared their stories about holding OS events in > > different cultural contexts. > > > > · We agreed to continue holding the skype sessions as there was a > > lot to talk about – agreed to one hour duration for each conversation. > > > > · This is very rough and incomplete as I did not take notes on this > > call!! :O > > > > > > > > Village Care skype 2 > > > > · Participant mentioned his use of “pop-up open space”: When an > > event is getting stale or losing energy, he suggests opening up some space > > for next part of day/event. ..I think > > > > · Participant raised the idea of getting the Peace Corps behind the > > Village Care program. She is a previous Peace Corps volunteer. > > > > o David loves the idea and has tried to get the Peace Corps involved, even > > traveling to DC to promote the idea, but had not made any progress. > > > > o Open to the idea of pursuing this if anyone has any contacts as he feels > > the missions of Village Care and Peace Corps are complimentary and that the > > Village Care model could provide Peace Corps volunteers with an efficacious > > program in contrast to the many assignments where there is not much to do or > > a poor structure. > > > > · David introduced a book that he wrote called, The Insanity of > > Africa – available to purchase on the Village Care website – proceeds > > support the programming > > > > · Participants shared stories about follow-up to Open Space events > > and successes that were reported ex post facto > > > > o David was told by a client in Nigeria that, “Even if you never come > > back, we will have been changed forever.” > > > > o Linda discusses a story from client in Boulder, CO – a young, > > successful, start-up tech company who she worked with early on in their > > career with traditional Open Space events. The company incorporated the OS > > process into their regular meetings. Some years later, she was joining them > > again for an event and was asked if she had ever heard of Open Space. > > > > o Linda provides a separate “next steps” form during some OS events. This > > can be posted to the OS report so that participants can sign up for next > > steps even if they were not a part of the group that created them. > > > > · Question was raised about whether or not anyone was developing > > metrics for what works and what doesn’t/ > > > > · OS story from Harrison relayed second-hand by participant. > > Harrison was called in to a country to help with the issue they were having > > with “cab wars” – conflict over cabbies trying to win customers. I think > > there was an issue around cabbies feeling like customers were being stolen > > out from under them, maybe fierce price competition, and perhaps even some > > violence? ….not sure…What was uncovered was that the whole town was > > experiencing economic problems, of which the cab wars were one > > manifestation. The whole town was invited to an open space events and a > > number of issues were resolved, including the cab issue….is this accurate? > > > > · Participant, I think Paul Levy, quoted Rudolph Steiner in > > reference to his thoughts about OS and follow-up, “Spiritual time runs > > backwards” – roughly paraphrased…explained that he feels that the follow up > > can precede the Open Space and that it is not always about action to be > > generated, but about traveling back in time to the source, not always > > forward to action, but back toward remembering what they already know… > > > > · At the same time, part of a good invitation, is an invitation to > > action – make it clear that you can start a session focused on action > > planning at 9am the first day, you don’t have to always wait until the end > > impatiently and wait for formal convergence. > > > > o Beatrice adds that this all depends on the objective of the client > > > > · Skye Hirst and Tricia Chirumbole are both motivated to connect > > with David about potential collaborative opportunities. > > > > o Tricia is interested in getting her contacts in Ghana involved with > > Village Care. > > > > o She is also interested in exploring ways to scale Village Care, > > including to “developed” countries. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > Our moderator is a wonderful self-selected volunteer in the best of OS > > tradition – one Harold Shinsato. He actually moved us from our old home at > > Bose State to our new digs. In an effort to save space and keep thing simple > > things like attachments and graphics are generally avoided. So the easiest, > > best way to post stuff is not with an attachment, but just put it out there, > > loud, clear, bold, and beautiful. > > > > > > > > Harrison > > > > > > > > Harrison Owen > > > > 7808 River Falls Dr. > > > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > > > USA > > > > > > > > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) > > > > Camden, Maine 04843 > > > > > > > > Phone 301-365-2093 > > > > (summer) 207-763-3261 > > > > > > > > www.openspaceworld.com > > > > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST > > Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > > > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia > > Chirumbole > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:09 AM > > > > > > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today! > > > > > > > > Hey Harrison! > > > > > > > > Attached is a word doc w/ some notes - they are not complete, and likely not > > entirely accurate :o > > > > > > > > I created a google doc and shared it with the list on Friday, BUT, it is > > awaiting moderator approval since it came from some google-based email > > address, which is not a member of the OS list. > > > > > > > > Do you know who this shadowy list moderator is??? > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Tricia! It’s me again. Still wondering what is happening with all this > > marvelous Skyping! Just a teaser would surely do. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > Harrison Owen > > > > 7808 River Falls Dr. > > > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > > > USA > > > > > > > > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) > > > > Camden, Maine 04843 > > > > > > > > Phone 301-365-2093 > > > > (summer) 207-763-3261 > > > > > > > > www.openspaceworld.com > > > > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST > > Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > > > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia > > Chirumbole > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:31 AM > > > > > > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today! > > > > > > > > Sorry about that Jamie! The time is EDT. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Jamie Colston <jamiecols...@googlemail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Tricia > > > > > > > > Is it est or edt? Just to check as I need to find out what my local time is? > > My Skype name is below > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Jamie > > > > Jamie Colston > > > > > > > > Tel: 07909442006 > > > > Email: jamiecols...@gmail.com > > > > Skype: father_to_zephyr > > > > Twitter: spearthwarrior > > > > > > > > Programme Leader > > > > www.now-here.com/ecl > > > > > > > > Facilitator & Catalyst > > > > Www.greenvisionmovement.org > > > > > > On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:57, Tricia Chirumbole > > <tri...@investorswithoutborders.net> wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > By popular vote, the Village Care skype with David Glenwinkel will commence > > today, Monday March 25th at 1pm EDT - pending David's confirmation. > > > > > > > > I will initiate the skype, but I need to be on another call, so I will only > > have from 1pm-1:05pm EST to get all interested participants on the call. > > > > > > > > If you want to be on and we are not yet connected on skype, please: 1) send > > me your skype name, and 2) accept my request for you to share your contact > > info via skype. > > > > > > > > Doodle link to confirm your interest in participating: > > http://doodle.com/v5hheuq6kdmmsfhk > > > > > > > > btw, on Friday I typed up notes from previous calls and shared with the OS > > list via a google doc - email w/ attachment is pending approval by the > > OSlist moderator - whoever that shadowy figure might be :) > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Tricia Chirumbole > > US: +1-571-232-0942 > > Skype: tricia.chirumbole > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tricia Chirumbole > > US: +1-571-232-0942 > > Skype: tricia.chirumbole > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tricia Chirumbole > > US: +1-571-232-0942 > > Skype: tricia.chirumbole > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tricia Chirumbole > > US: +1-571-232-0942 > > Skype: tricia.chirumbole > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > -- > Kári Gunnarsson > kari.gunnars...@simnet.is > gsm: +354 8645189 > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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