Chris, I´m curious about your work with Churches?
Do you have something more to share from your experience?
I`m working with Church and structure myself.

Hege

24. juni 2013 kl. 19:59 skrev Chris Corrigan <ch...@chriscorrigan.com>:

> Hey Barry...
> 
> INteresting that you THINK there is a lot of bureaucracy to undo before 
> proceeding.  Of course that may alos be true, but I note that it didn't seem 
> to stop your competitors from offering something that completely finished you 
> guys off.  
> 
> This is the time for the two feet, no?  The purest moment for 
> entrepreneurship, passion and responsibility...
> 
> I'm helping lots of organizations die these days - many of them are Churches. 
>  But the demise of the struture does always mean the demise of the need.  
> When need, passion and responsibility becomes detached from structure, 
> something new can flow.
> 
> Good luck with it!
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Barry Owen <bar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Barry Owen <ba...@paretorealtyllc.com>
> Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Leadership denial?
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> Hi Annamarie,
> 
> I care because I feel there's a needed space for a strong association for 
> this group of professionals who are all independent contractors.
> 
> A local place to go to be among colleagues and peers and to learn and share 
> and grow.
> 
> I'm not attached to the current association staying alive. In fact for years, 
> I have secretly thought that it should . . . Why hasn't it?
> 
> there's a complex local, state, and National bureaucracy to navigate , , , 
> and there are some key "benefits" and tools this bureaucracy controls which 
> necessitates the existence of this local association.
> 
> We've got a LOT of undoing to do before we can do . . . and a lot of big egos 
> to deal with along the way.
> 
> I've already begun my own work with dealing with this and am hopeful that 
> what we do now will facilitate a new and improved association in the future 
> :-)
> 
> Thank you for your insight
> 
> b
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> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Annamarie Pluhar 
> <annama...@pluharconsulting.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> And most of the time I lurk. Your email.. yes, isn't it awful when we can see 
> something but are powerless to do anything about it. 
> 
> So:  Why do you care so much? What does this association do for you that 
> suggests it shouldn't die? 
> Maybe you are being called to go and create something better!  
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> On Jun 23, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Barry Owen <bar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I haven't spoken here in a while . . . here goes . . . 
>> 
>> I've gotta vent for a moment. I'm a member of an association which is 
>> literally on the brink of extinction because their entire source of income 
>> evaporated due to 2 things - The economic downturn . . . and the advent of 
>> new technology and crafty competitors who have figured out how to "give for 
>> free" the very service (Continuing Education) this association has (for 
>> years) controlled locally as its primary income.
>> 
>> There are MANY members who have great ideas (including me) of creative ways 
>> to shift with the new environment (adapt) and survive, but the Leadership 
>> has created an iron wall of protection for the way they've always done 
>> things.
>> 
>> I've offered - suggested - written "white papers" - Sat on their board of 
>> Directors to be a voice . . . but the "Leadership" chooses to be blind and 
>> deaf.
>> 
>> The most recent meeting I attended was sad indeed as the leader spoke for 45 
>> minutes about all of the doom and gloom . . . and dutifully had a "reason" 
>> that every new suggestion that surfaced could not work . . . Most of it 
>> centered around not wanting to violate "current policy"
>> 
>> I'm at the point of realizing that my efforts are for naught and that my 
>> best course of action very well may be to do nothing . . . and let it die.
>> 
>> Maybe when the death nears, the current Leaders will leave, and we can 
>> breathe new life into whatever remains.
>> 
>> This is case study on a simple truth:
>> 
>> We cannot "SELL" Open Space Technology to Leaders in denial that their 
>> personal need to control will likely be the death of their organization.
>> 
>> True?
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