Thank you Diane , this conversation is very timely for me since I lately organized and led a training with 17 people . All the best from foggy NYC Tova
נשלח מה-iPad שלי ב-3 בדצמ 2013, בשעה 14:08, Diane Gibeault <diane.gibea...@rogers.com> כתב/ה: > Hi Tova, > > I so agree with the benefits you describe below, of the overnight OS > experience - incubation, evening and morning news. That is the ideal way to > experience OS for sure and that is how I have done it for over a decade until > the last three years or so. > > The only reason I changed and started in the morning with a full day OS > experience is to be able to start with OS at the very outset of the workshop > so people don't confuse the training type of activities with what OS really > is. > > I also didn't start the workshop at 1 pm for public workshops because > organizations seem to have a lot of difficulty freeing people for 3 days. > Seeing the event spread over 4 calendar days seemed to add to the challenge. > The same for outside participants coming only for the day-1 OS to join the > theme discussions. I do think the equivalent of 3 days is important for the > reasons you describe so well. > > NOW you caused me to rethink another option. The challenge of the 4 days > would not be as great for OS training done internally with an organization or > an existing group. in that context, I will certainly go back to starting the > experiential OS mid-day, as well as the OS workshop itself. And I will > probably try out the 4-day spread for public workshops. > > Thank you for bringing this possibility to mind, > > Diane > > Co-auteure : Livre blanc sur le Forum Ouvert / OPEN SPACE > Formation Forum Ouvert : Montreal 8-10 avril 2014 > > Diane Gibeault & Associe.es-Associates > Conseils-Facilitation-Formation / Consultation-Facilitation-Training > Tel 613-744-2638, diane.gibea...@rogers.com www.dianegibeault.com > > From: Tova Averbuch <tova.averb...@gmail.com> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Cc: "spac...@bigpond.net.au" <spac...@bigpond.net.au>; > "oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:24:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OSList] OST Training Design > > Hello Michael , Harrison, Diane, Lisa and all > > This is such a rich conversation! > Every thing that is written makes perfect sense to me and is inspiring to try > new modalities and ways. > > As for me what became my preferred way with time is the following: > Three days training with a following day about two months later, inviting and > supporting one another into facilitating an os meeting before the last day of > training or at least initiating, planing and meeting with steering committee . > > On day one of the training I start with short introduction of OS , me, > people, training , a short break and them a theme choice together. After > lunch break we come back to a day of OS , from noon to noon. > > Way? > -most importantly because I want people in training to experience an over > night OS gathering. When there is a night in the OS the whole Dynamic is > different, many times introducing not only slowing down but also some of the > low,sad,energy accompanying OS that is connected to separation from old > structures. This became important to me when I saw too many OS practitioners > that hold the high energy part very well but seem to avoid two day event and > heavy energies that need wading through. I want to invite the very different > energy and feel of evening and morning news. > - this is very similar to the flow of work with an OS gathering. There is > some pre work before the event that is done in more traditional ways but > carries the dialogic spirit and builds some of the readiness and atonement to > radical openness, as Michael said I think we need both and the flow back and > forth in the preparation of and in the convergence and support of initiatives > after. > - lunch break helps transition from on mode to the other > > I believe the real challenge with training is the split presence: in regular > OS most of the people come for the inspiring theme. In training , by > defending, the attention is split between the theme ( assuming it is really > inspiring for them) and the most fundamental motivation to become an OS > practitioner. For many of them it is hard or impossible to hold both strong > presence in both > > Thank you for this conversation everyone > And thanks for my jet leg in the us, it has been a while since I found some > space to join in > > Tova Averbuch > Usually from Israel > This time from NYC > > נשלח מה-iPad שלי > > ב-27 בנוב 2013, בשעה 20:51, Michael Wood <michael.w...@uwa.edu.au> כתב/ה: > >> Hi Diane, >> >> Very helpful suggestions - thankyou. All the reasons you propose make >> perfect sense to me and I'll think about trying your approach for the next >> program and see what happens. >> >> The modelling aspect is important. And yet I wonder if that is part of the >> ambiguity that the facilitator has to live within. i.e. we often take a more >> active facilitation role with the sponsor in helping the sponsor to come up >> with a clear question, and then have to change modality when we facilitate >> the actual OST event. But I can also understand the potential confusion for >> the group in a training context - and I think I've perhaps observed some of >> that confusion but wasn't quite sure of it source until you outlined why you >> now do it a different way - so many thanks for taking the time to outline >> this with such clarity. >> >> Cheers >> Michael Wood >> >> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:47:55 -0800 (PST) >> From: Diane Gibeault <diane.gibea...@rogers.com> >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >> Subject: Re: [OSList] waveriding in Oz / OST training >> Message-ID: >> <1385581675.19624.yahoomail...@web162705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> For two reasons, I modified day-1 training as you describe it. I now invite >> the group (an already existing group) to propose?in advance topics for >> a?theme, either at a meeting or by group emails. With the sponsor and a >> couple of volunteers (as would an organizing committee) the preferred >> subject is formulated in the form of a theme: short, broad in scope and >> inspiring. In the debrief later during the training we look at the >> experience and tips for theme formulation.? >> >> The first most important reason the theme is formulated in advance is that >> it allows participants to arrive on day-1, straight into a real Open Space. >> They got a clear picture in their mind and their body memory was better at >> retaining it for their own facilitation.? >> >> I found throughout the years that starting in a training mode before >> experiencing the OS confused people. Many afterwards thought that OS begins >> with everyone introducing themselves or with a check-in with a circle. They >> would report later on about their own experience of facilitating an OS: how >> these kind of intros slowed down the opening - especially with groups over >> 20 people - lowered the energy in the room and for a number of participants, >> increased the anxiety of this unknown OS thing to come. >> >> The second reason for this approach is that it creates more time-space to >> experience an OS, one that is not rushed thus allowing to "feel" the effect >> of time with the magical law of two feet, butterflies and all. This avoids >> replicating a fast pace OS which can then feel like many control types of >> facilitation methods if not speed-dating.? >> >> >> For public workshops where people are from various organizations, I reverted >> to choosing a theme that is broad enough to capture the interest of the kind >> of participants that are joining and of interest to other people in the >> community who are invited to join for that one-day experience of OS. This >> diversity makes the OS day feel even more real to participants.? >> >> Problems I encountered starting the first day with brainstorming on a theme >> with training participants of public workshops included:? >> -The first contact participants have with the trainer begins with him or her >> modelling traditional facilitation and consensus building methods instead of >> modelling OS hands-off self-organization facilitation. >> - arduous process?at times especially for groups of over 20 people,? >> - often?consuming too much time thus frustrating people,? >> - preferences were polarized at times, some did not accept the compromise >> theme, felt rejected and ganged-up to not participate and even be >> obstructive in the training days that followed. We had created a group-think >> situation.? >> >> No mistake when starting the day with OS. Everyone is on an equal footing. >> We are modelling what we are proposing. The following days people know what >> they're talking about, their questions are more relevant than if we started >> with describing the method - they don't have to take my word for it, they >> experienced it. >> >> Diane >> >> Diane Gibeault >> Co-author / Co-auteure :?Livre blanc?sur le Forum Ouvert?/?OPEN SPACE >> OT training - Formation?Forum Ouvert?:?Montreal?8-10?avril?2014 >> www.dianegibeault.com? ? 2013 : Paris 19-21 nov.,?Marseille 3-5 dec. >> Diane Gibeault & Associe.es-Associates?Tel 613-744-2638, >> diane.gibea...@rogers.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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