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1. Re: Open Space for my own team (Daniel Mezick via OSList)
2. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (John Baxter via OSList)
3. Critical Testing (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
4. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (via OSList)
5. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (via OSList)
6. Re: Critical Testing (Daniel Mezick via OSList)
7. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList)
8. Re: Critical Testing (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
9. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:45:17 -0500
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Hi Agnieszka,
I feel you have excellent instincts with respect to your discomfort with
the idea of Facilitating and participating as a member at the same time.
Like you, I, too am also uncomfortable... occupying the roles of
Facilitator and Participant at the same time.
I coach Agile. If I am functioning as coach to the group, I always
refrain from Facilitating OST, because my current belief is that I
probably cannot be effective as the OST Facilitator in that spot.
In any event, instead, I prefer to pay a friend to do the Facilitation,
and then play in the OST game as a Participant.
And so: I wonder if you might have a local friend, someone interested in
your OST work, who is not currently a member of your team. I wonder if
you could teach this local-friend person the basics of OST Facilitation
ahead of time. I wonder if you could teach this person how to do it, in,
say, 1 or 2 hours, with a little, private, mock "chairs-in-a-circle"
walk-through, with the posters, etc.
I wonder if your friend might then be willing to actually do the
Facilitation of your team's OST event, in exchange for your excellent
before/during/after mentoring (and the very excellent learn-by-doing
opportunity.)
Kind Regards,
Daniel
On 11/19/14 2:58 AM, Agnieszka Maja Wawrzyniak via OSList wrote:
Hi All,
I am to facilitate an Open Space for a team I am a part of and I
really would like to participate, but as a facilitator, I know I
shouldn't.
We will probably not able to hire an external facilitator, so I'm
tryng to work this out...
Do you have similar experiences? Any ideas? Recommendations?
Greets
Agnieszka
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I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey
examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
package that describes an event.
You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
Space,
you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things
in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of
'gathering' too.
My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I
wrote it,
I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
Cheers
*John Baxter*
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
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Hi Daniel,
I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and
2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the
poetic
sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of
saying
"we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
open space."
In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the
same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly*
one at
a time.
Harold
On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
meet?ing
?m?diNG/
noun
noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
1.
*an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit*
*t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
* "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
* synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention,
summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
* power lunch, power breakfast;*
* informal get-together*
* "he stood up to address the meeting"*
* a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
* 2.*
* a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
* "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
* synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
Is Open Space a meeting?
Daniel
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:34:01 +0000
From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
technology.
I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a
trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the
lived
experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation
among
our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to
collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable
science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the
task of building of such survey database along with the standardized
questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long
past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it?
Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this
endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded
rigor.
My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then
allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to
researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is
also
the Pandora?s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic
ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
The new late majority folks are going for the theme of ?participatory
processes? and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is
less
controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a
broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory
processes.
But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of
analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the
difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
procedures.
A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3
hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I
was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some
time for
reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that
make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot
of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of
principles ? ?Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be
prepared to be surprised!?? democracy of the feet / the law of mobility,
the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ? It was short
time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other
parts
of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the
freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had
previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures.
Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the
preconditions.
In openness,
K?ri the group coach
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I like your description of?Open Space being a "way"....
It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a
way in terms of a mindset.
Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and
the name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)?
Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
Chuni Li
? From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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To: Harold Shinsato <har...@shinsato.com
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list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a
whole package that describes an event.
You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... ?you can do any of
these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any
myriad forms of 'gathering' too.
My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I
wrote it, I promise...? Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
Cheers
John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide
Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au <http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?|
CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_
Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about
City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
<http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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Hi Daniel,
I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1.
and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in
the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it
is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So
instead of saying "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say
"we're going to the open space."
In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in
the same place at the same time and talk about the same things,
*mostly* one at a time.
??? Harold
On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
meet?ing
?m?diNG/
noun
noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
??? 1.
??? an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or
committee, for discussion or entertainment.
??? "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"
??? synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation,
convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally,
caucus; More
??? power lunch, power breakfast;
??? informal get-together
??? "he stood up to address the meeting"
??????? a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.
??? 2.
??? a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.
??? "he intrigued her on their first meeting"
??? synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More
Is Open Space a meeting?
Daniel
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I like your description of?Open Space being a "way"....
It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a
way in terms of a mindset.
Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and
the name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)?
Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
Chuni Li
? From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
To: Harold Shinsato <har...@shinsato.com
<mailto:har...@shinsato.com>>; World wide Open Space Technology email
list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a
whole package that describes an event.
You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... ?you can do any of
these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any
myriad forms of 'gathering' too.
My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I
wrote it, I promise...? Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
Cheers
John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide
Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au <http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?|
CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_
Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about
City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
<http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
Hi Daniel,
I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1.
and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in
the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it
is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So
instead of saying "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say
"we're going to the open space."
In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in
the same place at the same time and talk about the same things,
*mostly* one at a time.
??? Harold
On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
meet?ing
?m?diNG/
noun
noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
??? 1.
??? an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or
committee, for discussion or entertainment.
??? "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"
??? synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation,
convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally,
caucus; More
??? power lunch, power breakfast;
??? informal get-together
??? "he stood up to address the meeting"
??????? a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.
??? 2.
??? a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.
??? "he intrigued her on their first meeting"
??? synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More
Is Open Space a meeting?
Daniel
--
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To: K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnars...@simnet.is
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Hi K?ri,
Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting!
Daniel
On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList wrote:
There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort.
An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the
nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data
collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given
to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make
their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably
be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such
survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time
to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There
is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a
real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even
try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision
is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow
events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to
researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is
also the Pandora's Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it
is a topic ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
The new late majority folks are going for the theme of "participatory
processes" and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is
less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be
part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of
participatory processes.
But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type
of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look
at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
procedures.
A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short
3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally
I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some
time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and
topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch
was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the
introduction of principles ... "Whatever happens is the only thing
that could have, be prepared to be surprised!"... democracy of the
feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake
for topics. ... It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention
by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked
out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology
opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been
submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little
time and then open up some space, works each time given the
preconditions.
In openness,
K?ri the group coach
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From: Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS "is"! :-)
however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience,
about what OS can *do*:
to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they
really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about
the same thing.
So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* "meetings" to happen --
the kind of "meeting", that people *want* to show up for!
*Rosa Zubizarreta*
*Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com
<http://www.diapraxis.com/>*
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
wrote:
I like your description of Open Space being a "way"....
It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or
a way
in terms of a mindset.
Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the
name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)
Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
Chuni Li
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*From:* John Baxter via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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*To:* Harold Shinsato <har...@shinsato.com
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*Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
grey
examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
package that describes an event.
You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these
things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad
forms
of 'gathering' too.
My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote
it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
Cheers
*John Baxter*
*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*
jsbaxter.com.au <http://jsbaxter.com.au>
<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com <http://CoCreateADL.com>
<http://cocreateadl.com/>
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? | ?
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
Hi Daniel,
I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and
2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the
poetic
sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of
saying
"we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
open space."
In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the
same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly*
one at
a time.
Harold
On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
meet?ing
?m?diNG/
noun
noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
1.
*an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit*
*t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
* "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
* synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention,
summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
* power lunch, power breakfast;*
* informal get-together*
* "he stood up to address the meeting"*
* a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
* 2.*
* a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
* "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
* synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
Is Open Space a meeting?
Daniel
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From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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Hi Daniel
You are welcome.
My tiered English was not at it best in the first post, but I hope the
spellchecker managed to make my writing readable.
Well there is always the purpose of the occasion and how it plays out. I
would now be interested how different participatory processes work for
individuals and compare it to Belbin team roles or the personality
psychology of the five scales: Cautious-inventive; Organized-careless;
Energetic-reserved; Analytical-compassionate; and Confident-nervous. But
what to measure for is of-course up to the purpose of our survey.
What would be our next step in this topic offering.
In openness,
K?ri the group coach
On 20 November 2014 14:06, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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Hi K?ri,
Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting!
Daniel
On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList wrote:
There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An
idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances
of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by
cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated
researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions
in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult,
even
impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the
standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago,
we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do
we have
to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we
can host
this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded
rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey
that we
then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then
give to
researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There
is also
the Pandora?s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a
topic
ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
The new late majority folks are going for the theme of ?participatory
processes? and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it
is less
controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a
broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory
processes.
But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of
analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the
difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
procedures.
A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3
hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I
was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some
time for
reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that
make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot
of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of
principles ? ?Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be
prepared to be surprised!?? democracy of the feet / the law of mobility,
the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ? It was short
time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other
parts
of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the
freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had
previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures.
Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the
preconditions.
In openness,
K?ri the group coach
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I would say that open space is a themed meeting super-framework. Where
people have meetings (with there chosen sub-framework) on topics in
connection to our themed and use our common super-framework to
organize the
meetings and there outcomes.
In openness,
K?ri the group coach
On 20 November 2014 20:59, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS "is"! :-)
however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience,
about what OS can *do*:
to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they
really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about
the same thing.
So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* "meetings" to happen --
the kind of "meeting", that people *want* to show up for!
*Rosa Zubizarreta*
*Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com
<http://www.diapraxis.com/>*
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
I like your description of Open Space being a "way"....
It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a
way in terms of a mindset.
Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the
name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)
Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
Chuni Li
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<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
*To:* Harold Shinsato <har...@shinsato.com
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*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
*Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
package that describes an event.
You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of
these
things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad
forms
of 'gathering' too.
My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote
it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
Cheers
*John Baxter*
*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*
jsbaxter.com.au <http://jsbaxter.com.au>
<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com <http://CoCreateADL.com>
<http://cocreateadl.com/>
0405 447 829
? | ?
@jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_>
*Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about
City Grill!*
*Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
<http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>
<http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>*
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
Hi Daniel,
I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions
1. and
2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the
poetic
sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of
saying
"we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
open space."
In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet
in the
same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly*
one at
a time.
Harold
On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
meet?ing
?m?diNG/
noun
noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
1.
*an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or
commit**t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
* "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
* synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation,
convention,
summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
* power lunch, power breakfast;*
* informal get-together*
* "he stood up to address the meeting"*
* a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
* 2.*
* a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
* "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
* synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
Is Open Space a meeting?
Daniel
--
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New Technology Solutions Inc.
(203) 915 7248 (cell)
Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
<http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
<http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
Examine my new book: The Culture Game
<http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
Agile Manager.
Explore Agile Team Training
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
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