"Opening space for fascism" I can understand and experience as a
non-starter. Does censoring speech increase of decrease liberty? If
speech was not censored, would Trump have any traction at all? The
latter question is difficult to answer, the former is not.
For the record, I do not currently engage in electoral politics
whatsoever and therefore do not support Mr. Trump, or anyone else, for
any office, anywhere. Something about legitimate authority and it
dependency on legitimate consent:
http://voluntaryist.com/
Voluntaryists are advocates of non-political, non-violent strategies to
achieve a free society. We reject electoral politics
<http://voluntaryist.com/nonvoting/index.html>, in theory and in
practice. Governments must cloak their actions in an aura of moral
legitimacy in order to sustain their power, and political methods
invariably strengthen that legitimacy. Voluntaryists seek instead to
*delegitimize the State* through education
<http://voluntaryist.com/articles/040.html>, and *we advocate withdrawal
of the cooperation and tacit consent* on which State power ultimately
depends.
See also: Is Voting an Act of Violence?
http://voluntaryist.com/articles/103.html#.VmisWnvsdek
On 12/9/15 4:55 PM, Jeff Aitken wrote:
I hear you Daniel. There are needs not being addressed, and here's a
guy saying he will address them.
I don't share the perspective that Mr. Trump's rhetoric has not been
openly shared for years in the public square. Unless Fox News and
several allied websites and radio talk shows are not considered to be
the public square.
I see a difference between censorship and the fact that these ideas
have not gained traction in a large majority of the US American
public. Maybe they are just bad ideas, stoking the fears of a
shrinking portion of the electorate.
I imagine it's a relief and exciting to his supporters to hear a US
presidential candidate speak them on the campaign trail. Except that
other candidates have done so in this and previous US elections. He's
better at it as a personality, sure. Maybe that's key.
He is being more provocative than ever these days, and perhaps opening
space for fascism is indeed bringing something out of the shadows that
will eventually have a healthy outcome when it is defeated soundly,
and its adherents open their hearts to the Others who have been demonized.
(One of my former colleagues hosts space for children of Nazis and
children of Holocaust survivors to reconcile the historical trauma.
Very powerful.)
But inciting supporters to physically attack people across the
continent is way more like closing space than opening it.
Thanks for the conversation - perhaps we will find common ground at
some point.
Jeff
I wonder if I am not such a good communicator.
Setting aside the topic of the uninviting and unlovely for a moment,
let us return to the issue of suppression and repression of thoughts
which want legitimate expression. "Closed space" suppresses. And
represses. And OPPRESSES. In this case, there is suppression and
repression and OPPRESSION of conversations that want to happen,
apparently. Guessing.
Is this the entire source of energy-- the "fuel"-- for the so-called
"space invader" Mr. Trump?
/Pretend/, just for the moment, that what I am about to say is true....
(Please prepare to pretend. And go there. Pretend. If you cannot go
there now, you are not advised to scroll further at this time.)
<HERETICAL EXPRESSION OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS>
<HISTRIONIC RANT>
Mr. Trump is OPENING some space, to discuss and OPENLY question:
borders, boundaries, illegal immigration, globalist trade with China,
etc.
Apparently, many in the electorate are approving (authorizing) these
conversations as offered by Mr. Trump, conversations that have not
found any quarter, no space whatsoever for uncensored and legitimately
open expression in the public square. The term censorship comes to mind.
Perhaps space has been closed around the discussion of these difficult
topics for so very long, that what Mr. Trump is doing, besides being
quite obnoxious, also quite refreshing to many people who are happy to
see their thoughts and feelings and ideas and concerns expressed in
SOME way the public square. Mr. Trump resonates. How is this so? Such
a situation seemed impossible just a few short months ago.
Perhaps Mr. Trump is accessing the deep shadow energy that results
from an unrelenting and constant suppression and "repression of
expression" around difficult issues. Closed space.
Mr. Trump seems to be accessing what has unwisely been suppressed and
repressed.
/*How is this even possible if the marketplace of ideas is
legitimately open for business?*/
And so I conclude that Mr. Trump is OPENING space. Yes, he is being
violent. Yes he is being obnoxious. Set that aside for now.
As an exercise, imagine an outrageously obnoxious Open Space called by
Mr. Trump, on the Mall in DC.
The theme is*MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN: IN SERVICE TO WHAT*
Hmm, all the conditions for a good Open Space appear to be present.
I wonder what kind of experience my ensue, who and how many might show
up to question that slogan, defend that slogan, discuss "what it
means," etc.
As it stands, the space is closed, so let's not go there. More dark
energy thus created. Advantage Trump.
</HISTRIONIC RANT>
</HERETICAL EXPRESSION OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS>
On 12/9/15 2:27 PM, Jeff Aitken wrote:
>
> Hey Daniel, I don't think Mr. Trump has any problem finding his
breakout in the open space of the contemporary world. I find the
issue exactly to be that he wishes to close off the space to others.
>
> He's being a space invader. How do you handle a space invader?
Maybe if we both gave him a big hug.
>
> Jeff
I wonder if I am not such a good communicator.
Setting aside the topic of the uninviting and unlovely for a moment,
let us return to the issue of suppression and repression of thoughts
which want legitimate expression. "Closed space" suppresses. And
represses. And OPPRESSES. In this case, there is suppression and
repression and OPPRESSION of conversations that want to happen,
apparently. Guessing.
Is this the entire source of energy-- the "fuel"-- for the so-called
"space invader" Mr. Trump?
/Pretend/, just for the moment, that what I am about to say is true....
(Please prepare to pretend. And go there. Pretend. If you cannot go
there now, you are not advised to scroll further at this time.)
<HERETICAL EXPRESSION OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS>
<HISTRIONIC RANT>
Mr. Trump is OPENING some space, to discuss and OPENLY question:
borders, boundaries, illegal immigration, globalist trade with China,
etc.
Apparently, many in the electorate are approving (authorizing) these
conversations as offered by Mr. Trump, conversations that have not
found any quarter, no space whatsoever for uncensored and legitimately
open expression in the public square. The term censorship comes to mind.
Perhaps space has been closed around the discussion of these difficult
topics for so very long, that what Mr. Trump is doing, besides being
quite obnoxious, also quite refreshing to many people who are happy to
see their thoughts and feelings and ideas and concerns expressed in
SOME way the public square. Mr. Trump resonates. How is this so? Such
a situation seemed impossible just a few short months ago.
Perhaps Mr. Trump is accessing the deep shadow energy that results
from an unrelenting and constant suppression and "repression of
expression" around difficult issues. Closed space.
Mr. Trump seems to be accessing what has unwisely been suppressed and
repressed.
*/How is this even possible if the marketplace of ideas is
legitimately open for business? /*
And so I conclude that Mr. Trump is OPENING space. Yes, he is being
violent. Yes he is being obnoxious. Set that aside for now.
As an exercise, imagine an outrageously obnoxious Open Space called by
Mr. Trump, on the Mall in DC.
The theme is *MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN: IN SERVICE TO WHAT*
Hmm, all the conditions for a good Open Space appear to be present.
I wonder what kind of experience my ensue, who and how many might show
up to question that slogan, defend that slogan, discuss "what it
means," etc.
As it stands, the space is closed, so let's not go there. More dark
energy thus created. Advantage Trump.
</HISTRIONIC RANT>
</HERETICAL EXPRESSION OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS>
On 12/9/15 2:27 PM, Jeff Aitken wrote:
Hey Daniel, I don't think Mr. Trump has any problem finding his
breakout in the open space of the contemporary world. I find the
issue exactly to be that he wishes to close off the space to others.
He's being a space invader. How do you handle a space invader? Maybe
if we both gave him a big hug.
Jeff
On Dec 9, 2015 11:10 AM, "Daniel Mezick via OSList"
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
Are we to invite only those who are inviting? /Only/ those who
are lovely?
If we invite the uninviting and love the unlovely, the rest is up
to them.
Is it not?
Isn't that how opening space actually goes?
Daniel
PS See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_contradiction
On 12/9/15 1:30 PM, Jan Höglund via OSList wrote:
Well, who does Donal Trump invite? Not Muslims obviously.
I just read "Talking to the Enemy" by Scott Atran
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14848338-talking-to-the-enemy
Yes, it's about opening space...
I'll write a book review some day.
/Jan
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:49:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever,
with whomever as often as you can
From: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
Wait. Is Donald Trump invited? His ideas?
Are those who have thus far repressed similar thoughts and
feelings as expressed by Trump...are they also invited?
Because: if he is not, if they are not, if those ideas are not,
then: the space that is purportedly open is in fact closed.
VERY closed.
Perhaps this dynamic is what causing Trump's various expressions
to resonate? Perhaps this dynamic is in fact energizing Trump's
campaign?
http://www.trans4mind.com/jamesharveystout/repress.htm
Repression. It is similar to suppression in that a thought or
feeling or emotion is not expressed -- but in repression, we
deny that the element even exists.
On 12/8/15 7:48 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
“Donald Trump calls for ‘total’ ban on Muslims entering
United States”
(Washington Post 12/8/15)
Donald Trump has said what some people here in the USA (and
elsewhere in the world) have also been saying and feeling.
These are the words of fear. Unfortunately they are also the
words of a demagogue, seeking to play upon the fears of
others. That there is danger is clear, but an infinitely
greater danger is that we sacrifice our essential humanity
to our fear. Sealing our borders, closing our doors and
windows... we close our space. And while it may appear
safer, that is an allusion. Life cannot be lived without
space to live in. We are no exception.
Recently we have been celebrating the warmth and depth of
this global community. It is a wonder. But the beauty of
this community is not an inherent gift, I believe. Rather it
is the reflection of what we do. Opening Space. Opening
space is not magic. We did not invent it. It is not even
complicated. At root level it is simply inviting people to
be fully who and what they are, to greet each other and to
enjoy the space. We can do it. We can invite others to do
it. And now is the time.
Harrison
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