Skye, Your what it....."*What if we are all ordering ourselves to feel more and more whole coherence towards creating greatest coherence of the whole?" * had an immediate resonates with me ....and makes intuitive sense.
David *David R. Osborne* Organization and Leadership Development 6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042 703-939-1777 | dosbo...@change-fusion.com <cbell...@change-fusion.com> | change-fusion.com On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Skye Hirst <sk...@autognomics.org> wrote: > Oh dear me, I'm jumping in. I wrote this poem today as I consider the > living processes, one of which is self-ordering using an inherent value > intelligence discovered by Robert S. Hartman years ago. > > So from this wide-angle lens on the subject of self-organization... One > needs a different kind of knowing beyond words and numbers as measurement, > I suggest, we need go beyond the observing of parts and "things" or > arti-facts. How do we see process? it's more a coherence knowing by > which we sense our self-organizing way, an infinitely complex process, i > suspect, but I offer for your considering....What if we are all ordering > ourselves to feel more and more whole coherence towards creating greatest > coherence of the whole? I'm way out here, but I do welcome company in the > exploration. > > Can you see Living Process? > > “Sensing it” might be more accurately the pointer > > What happened when you were 3 years old, > > Can stay an awareness “sign” till woman grown > > An act by other can infect you > > As you remember smells and feelings > > In your body-knowing of good, or ill. > > Such senses shape in you, > > You decide, > > This works, that doesn’t, > > You come to value or disvalue one “kind” of person, more than another > > The ways, the acts of tenderness, or disregard > > A relating relationship becomes habit by repeated choosing > > Because “effective” in some living way > > You feel excitement, anticipation for such again, > > Or dread, it might be repeated, take note to avoid. > > A mindful moment can reveal > > Such kaleidoscope realities > > Woven throughout your living acts and actions > > Informing little girl continuously till woman grown > > Contrasts butt up against one another > > These living acts, with results, and consequences, > > Require evaluating, comparing qualities you name “good” > > Choosing again and again > > What works, what doesn’t > > Seeing, sensing living, becoming, evolving, emerging > > Nothing fixed in relations of relating, > > These acts and their results > > Keep creating in you > > A felt-sensing reality view, > > Moment on moment > > Forming functions of how to live > > In this moment and the next. > > Choosing acts of good, or ill > > Or some measure in between > > This is good, less good or bad, > > Repeat or stop > > Like soup in the making > > You keep adding, referencing, > > Sensing your way > > All acts, all relations of relations, > > Seeking > > A wholeness knowing, > > A "never-will-be-againness." > > Wondering at it all, > > Or not, > > Or some measure in-between. > > Do you “sense” what I mean? > > > > > > Skye Hirst, 2/23/17 > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:21 PM, David Osborne via OSList < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > >> I find the concept of researching self-organization in human systems to >> prove that it happens intriguing and I have no idea how one would approach >> it since it's all self-organizing and I'm not sure the human perspective of >> working / not working etc applies. >> >> As I first read one off the posts I thought it's kind of like proving >> fire is....then I realized hey.....there is a combustion point ...things >> that accelerate of diminish fires...ways to start them etc etc. >> >> I think a second part of the challenge is that self-organizing is like >> gravity or electro magnetics in that it is invisible and we don't have a >> way of measuring it that I know of. >> >> These are my rambling musings and I'm interested in others perspectives. >> >> Best to all, >> >> David >> >> >> *David R. Osborne* >> Organization and Leadership Development >> >> 6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042 >> 703-939-1777 <(703)%20939-1777> | dosbo...@change-fusion.com >> <cbell...@change-fusion.com> | change-fusion.com >> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Royle, Karl via OSList < >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >>> I don’t think you can prove self organization but you could look at …. >>> if this is done in this way then results are.. kind of thing…. And you >>> could see if OS improves efficacy of groups and individuals, which it >>> probably certainly does (in the moment) >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *OSList <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> on behalf of >>> Birgitt Williams via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>> *Reply-To: *Birgitt Williams <birg...@dalarinternational.com>, World >>> wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>> *Date: *Thursday, 23 February 2017 at 21:30 >>> *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list < >>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>> *Subject: *Re: [OSList] Research OST >>> >>> >>> >>> Harrison---the point I was making is about research. If the research is >>> based on going down the path of proving self organization, it is not as >>> valuable to making the case for OST as OST works! It simply works, is >>> useful, creates results. >>> >>> >>> >>> Birgitt >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:16 PM Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Birgitt – I guess we differ. Proving that self organization works is >>> about as useful as proving that oxygen works for breathing. Seems to. And >>> are there other things going on in Open Space apart from self organization? >>> Absolutely. Or perhaps not at all. Just life. >>> >>> >>> >>> ho >>> >>> >>> >>> Winter Address >>> >>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>> >>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>> >>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093> >>> >>> >>> >>> Summer Address >>> >>> 189 Beaucauire Ave >>> >>> Camden, ME 04843 >>> >>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261> >>> >>> >>> >>> Websites >>> >>> www.openspaceworld.com >>> >>> www.ho-image.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Birgitt Williams via OSList >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:28 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Research OST >>> >>> >>> >>> Great summary Harrison of what is OST and what is not OST. it is a >>> significant challenge to find what is actually an OST meeting. One of the >>> reasons I created our workshop Working With OST is to make that distinction >>> very clear to all who participate with us. OST facilitated well requires >>> understanding the essence of what is created...and never as the facilitator >>> violating that essence. People have referred to me as a 'purist' and that >>> is fine by me. I believe in OST just as you created it. I do not believe in >>> the variations having the same outcomes. When something is added before OST >>> or after OST, they are not OST...and helping a group of people be >>> absolutely clear when the actual OST begins and when it ends is part of >>> what we are very careful about. >>> >>> >>> >>> We have developed a complimentary method, Whole Person Process >>> Facilitation, to use when OST is not the right method...and yet is based on >>> as little intervention as possible, and creating 'maximum choice, maximum >>> freedom' to the degree possible. Unfortunately, after the meetings, people >>> will say 'we want another one of those open space meetings. They feel that >>> the space is open and like to refer to it that way. I cannot do anything >>> about this conclusion that people make, and it is not OST. >>> >>> >>> >>> I also think that a disservice was done when OST was being looked at >>> from the lens of 'self organizing', one lens that applies certainly, and >>> not the only one...and in my perspective a rather limited one. The reason I >>> say this is a disservice is that too much effort was spent proving that >>> self organizing works, instead of proving through research and other means, >>> that OST works. >>> >>> >>> >>> Having a clean hypothesis about OST as a useful, productive method that >>> achieves incredible results is more valuable that proving it works for some >>> particular reason. >>> >>> >>> >>> My two cents on the subject, >>> >>> Birgitt >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM Harrison Owen via OSList < >>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>> >>> One of the questions I find myself asking of various "researchers," -- >>> What, >>> exactly, are you looking at? >>> >>> Open Space has wandered and permutated globally, and taken 30+ years >>> doing >>> that. So lots of times the "Open Space" people say they are looking at >>> (researching) has nothing to do with anything that I might call OST. >>> Needless to say I don't own, but I did coin the phrase -- and arguably, >>> I've >>> spent more time fussing with OST than anybody else. Alternatives, >>> Variations, Permutations are not wrong, bad, or immoral -- but are not >>> OST. >>> And in research "facts" do matter. Despite our current (US) >>> administration. >>> So for me, if you a going to do research on Open Space Technology (OST) >>> -- >>> it really needs to be done "by the book." The Book being, "Open Space >>> Technology: A User's Guide 3rd Edition (Berrett- Koehler, 2008)" I might >>> consider that the "Lab Book." >>> >>> The experimental procedure is clearly laid out. >>> >>> The "event" will be convened around an issue people seriously care about >>> (Real issue - not pretend, made up, chosen at random). >>> >>> All participants will come in response to a Real Invitation. One they can >>> refuse. No coercion. All are present because they choose to be there. >>> >>> Once present, participants will be invited to sit in a circle, create a >>> bulletin board of the issues they care about, and the open a market >>> place to >>> make/confirm the times and places of meeting. >>> >>> The Facilitator will be present only at the beginning (1st 15 min.) and >>> appear again only at the end (of the day or program). In other words, The >>> facilitator will NEVER intervene. NEVER. Picking up coffee cups is >>> appropriate. Otherwise, being "present and invisible" -- is the rule. >>> >>> Anything else... "Variants, Twists, Tweaks -- whatever ... is not OST. >>> Could >>> be great. May be fantastic. But it ain't OST. >>> >>> And when it comes to "results" the "researcher" might check "Wave Rider: >>> Leadership for High Performance in a Self Organizing World." That would >>> be >>> my best effort at a Final Report for the 30 year experiment. Which >>> doesn't >>> make it perfect, right or anything special. But it might be a place to >>> start. >>> >>> Harrison >>> >>> >>> >>> Winter Address >>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093> >>> >>> Summer Address >>> 189 Beaucauire Ave >>> Camden, ME 04843 >>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261> >>> >>> Websites >>> www.openspaceworld.com >>> www.ho-image.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Hege Steinsland via OSList >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:54 AM >>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >>> Subject: [OSList] Research OST >>> >>> Hello. >>> I`m working on an article about the experience with OST in Norwegian >>> work- >>> places, in particular municipalities. >>> I wonder if there are som kind of overview of earlier research on the >>> field, >>> published and unpublished >>> >>> Would be great :-) >>> >>> All the best >>> Hege Steinsland >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe >>> send an >>> email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> Past archives can be viewed here: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/os >>> l...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Birgitt Williams >>> >>> >>> >>> President & Senior Consultant of Dalar International Consultancy, Inc. >>> >>> http://www.dalarinternational.com >>> >>> Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network >>> http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com >>> >>> Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The Genuine >>> Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership >>> http://www.genuinecontactway.com >>> >>> Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd. >>> http://www.genuinecontact.net >>> >>> >>> >>> *Supporting leadership development for leading in a culture requiring >>> agility and flexibility in a performance environment of constant change.* >>> >>> >>> >>> Leadership development at your own pace? 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Motion or change is her mode of > existence."* > *- Ralph Waldo Emerson* >
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