Hi Mark,

The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.

I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods. Here are the facts.

1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's. TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.

2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016. The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has a more modern interface.

3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an app to their phones, etc.

4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups, Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay independent.

Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you are being fair or accurate.

    Harold

On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for your consideration,
Mark Carmel


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