On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Stefano Mori wrote:
So...
this is apparently a quote from Obama. I haven't checked but if you
feel it is wrong then by all means do.
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and
registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to
provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law
enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns
that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As
president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two
realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the
tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many
Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them
how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public
school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can
reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is
respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we
also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we
see on the streets.
(emphasis mine)
Let's see. Chicago. Until the Heller decision it and it's
surrounding communities had strict gun control laws.
Chicago has a gun control persons ideal laws already!!
Important parts are this.
ALL OF THAT BS that congress has said they would like to do.
and a lot of you folks on the list argue for on occasion.
You know. "Treat guns like cars.. require a license to possess
ammunition, or guns..."
require a waiting period.
Guess what. They have all that already..
• is unlawful to possess any firearm or ammunition without a valid
FOID.
• It is unlawful for any person under the age of 18 to possess a
handgun, or concealable firearm.
• It is unlawful for any person to possess any firearm with intent to
use it unlawfully against another.
• It is unlawful to possess any rifle having one or more barrels less
than 16" in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than
18" in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, if such
weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
• It is unlawful to possess any firearm in any place licensed to sell
intoxicating beverages, or at any public gathering (except a gun show)
at which an admission is charged. An exception is provided for the
owner, manager or an authorized employee of the establishments.
• It is unlawful for the following persons to possess a firearm or
ammunition:
[snipped by me]
......under 18 and the usual nut job/ wife beater, felon group.
[/snipped]
Note: In Chicago it is unlawful to keep any firearm unless it has been
registered with the Chicago Police.
Here is the whole thing. go read it. I'll wait..
<<http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_il.htm>
So the question is "How's that working out for you?" All those
regulations and restrictions... Looks pretty amazing and
comprehensive to me
It is said that Idiocy is doing the same thing over and over expecting
a different out come.
That pretty much defines the liberal obsession with passing more gun
laws.
Obama thinks that "we also start cracking down on kinds of abuses of
firearms that we see on the streets"
What in $Deities name could he add that would make any difference?
Not that anyone in Chicago could be carrying..
"It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm in any vehicle or
concealed on or about the person, except on one's land or or fixed
place of business.
It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm on any public street or
other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village, or
incorporated town, except when: an invitee thereon or therein, for the
purpose of the display of firearms or the lawful commerce in firearms."
SO according to Liberal theology, there are no guns there. After all
they passed a fucking pile of laws that prevent them from existing..
Here is a crazy thought.
How about an idea that works?
"Like many states, Utah enacted a concealed-handgun licensing law in
1995. Unlike most states,Utah did not make schools an exclusion zone
for lawful carrying. Not only a teacher on duty, but also a parent
coming to pick up a child from school, can lawfully carry a concealed
handgun in a Utah school building — after, of course, passing a
background check and safety training. (See Utah Code sect.
76-10-505.5. In 2003, the legislature expanded the law, by allowing
principals to authorize firearms possession by individuals who did not
have a concealed-handgun carry permit.)
After eleven years of experience in Utah, we now have exactly zero
reported problems of concealed handgun licensees misusing guns at
school, or students stealing guns from teachers, or teachers using
their licensed firearms to shoot or threaten students. During this
same period, we also have had exactly zero mass murders in Utah
schools. "
WTF? ZERO mass murders in Utah schools? NO parents or teachers run
amok?
Quick! Someone tell Obama! He PROMISED that he would look at programs
that work and get rid of one's that do not work.
Chicago's guns laws would not be a bad place to start.
All those guns all over the place. Teachers, parents and anyone else
legally allowed to carry can carry on school property.
Should be blood running in the streets and gun battles on every school
ground, no? After all we know it is the GUN not the person that is
responsible.
We know that an otherwise stable, law abiding person that can pass a
gun safety course and and FBI background check will start a gun fight
at the drop of a hat
ON A SCHOOL GROUND, for sure, at the slightest provocation.
OTOH, Utah already has a working solution that doesn't require bad
guys to obey the law. Think about that for a sec. "bad guy does
not have to obey law for this to work.."
I guess it's a mormon thing. That is the only possible explanation.
They are religious nut jobs that carry guns all the time and the bad
guys are afraid of them knocking on their door.
The horror.
=c=
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