On Feb 24, 2009, at 5:11 AM, David Cake wrote: > I think this is kind of an absurd oversimplification at best, > and propaganda at worst -- the idea that the Ivy League universities > are a global nexus of Marxism is a little ridiculous. That is why the > CIA likes to recruit from Ivy League universities, right? (the CIA is > particularly fond of Yale). > And it certainly glosses over the way the US didn't just give > the traditionalists guns and missiles-- it made a dedicated effort > (in cooperation with the Saudis) at making the traditionalists more > aligned to religious fanaticism, because it helped them recruit and > link up with covert backers in other countries, particularly the > Middle East.
When did you loose all sense or irony? Do I have to start putting winky faces in every post. The fact remains that social progressivism and Marxism were linked in much of the 3rd world and theat the Afghan elites were largely educated in the west. > Most of the women in Afghanistan haven't been 'indoctrinated > since birth' - the Taliban took power in 1996. The Taliban are far > more repressive to women than the native Afghani Islamic traditions > were, and considerably more so than other variants of Pushtuni tribal > Islam from which the Taliban sprung. It's simply false to portray the relatively moderate traditions of Kabul as somehow more "native" than the traditions of the southern part of the country. It is also simply false to characterize repressive customs as "Islamic". There are many Islamic areas that are not repressive and non-Islamic groups in the middle east, like the Yezidi, who are extremely repressive. For most women in most of Afghanistan for most of history life is simply shit. The Taliban simply reimposed social traditions on a minority that had temporarily escaped it. > While I wouldn't want to say even a slightly kind word about > the degenerate old creep Jeffs and his hideous coterie - they didn't > murder those who opposed them. The murders have been alleged but not proved. The rape and beatings are documented. It is simply that the US legal system can't prosecute on hearsay and the victims themselves won't testify. I suspect the difference here is simply that you require a higher standard of proof when the perpetrators are FLDS than when they are Moslem. I accuse any FLDS member you want of murder for $1,000. - God must have loved the people in power, for he made them so much like their own image of him. -Kenneth Patchen _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
