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Today's Topics:
1. Delayed Posts? (Anthony Hoppe)
2. Re: Delayed Posts? (William Kern)
3. Outages list delayed again? (Andy Ringsmuth)
4. Re: Delayed Posts? (Simon Hoffmann)
5. Re: Delayed Posts? (Grant Taylor)
6. Re: Delayed Posts? (Jeremy Chadwick)
7. Another AWS-East outage? (Andy Ringsmuth)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 08:48:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Hoppe <anth...@vofr.net>
To: Outages List <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: [Outages-discussion] Delayed Posts?
Message-ID: <1836330186.3170.1639586910945.javamail.zim...@vofr.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
It looks like I'm receiving responses to the "More AWS Trouble 12/15" thread up
to roughly 30 minutes delayed (seems the delay increased as the thread grew).
I'm curious if this is just a "me" problem or if anyone else is experiencing
similar? Thanks!
~ Anthony
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:34:45 -0800
From: William Kern <wk...@pixelgate.net>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Delayed Posts?
Message-ID: <5ffd537f-9291-f977-df5c-524367b7f...@pixelgate.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
I noticed it as well.
I just got this at 9:34 Pacific and your timestamp implies 8:48
-bill
On 12/15/21 8:48 AM, Anthony Hoppe wrote:
> It looks like I'm receiving responses to the "More AWS Trouble 12/15" thread
> up to roughly 30 minutes delayed (seems the delay increased as the thread
> grew). I'm curious if this is just a "me" problem or if anyone else is
> experiencing similar? Thanks!
>
> ~ Anthony
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:32:11 -0600
From: Andy Ringsmuth <a...@andyring.com>
To: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: [Outages-discussion] Outages list delayed again?
Message-ID: <e29d655d-b8d9-4348-b153-289dc5352...@andyring.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Is it just me or are messages to outages being delayed again in the AWS US-West
muck?
I sent this at 11:32 a.m. CST.
----
Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:54:49 +0100
From: Simon Hoffmann <outa...@list.simonhoffmann.net>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Delayed Posts?
Message-ID: <e1a46c0f-8cc6-6e3a-be3a-1298258cff2f@hoffmann.computer>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Am 15.12.21 um 17:48 schrieb Anthony Hoppe:
> It looks like I'm receiving responses to the "More AWS Trouble 12/15" thread
> up to roughly 30 minutes delayed (seems the delay increased as the thread
> grew). I'm curious if this is just a "me" problem or if anyone else is
> experiencing similar? Thanks!
No, I also experience the same. It seems like puck.nether.net is either
under a lot of load or delaying messages for other reasons.
Received: from mail.vofr.net (mail.vofr.net [45.19.143.161])
by puck.nether.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF69454015F
for <outages-discussion@outages.org>; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:48:32 -0500
(EST)
your mailserver to puck, 11:48 in Timezone UTC-5h
Received: from puck.nether.net (localhost [IPv6:::1])
by puck.nether.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3058A540009;
Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:17:18 -0500 (EST)
Still UTC-5h, but now its 12:17, so 30 mins later, within same host
Received: from puck.nether.net ([204.42.254.5]:48832)
by uhura.hoffmann.computer with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls
for outa...@list.simonhoffmann.net; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:27:57 +0100
18:27 in UTC+1 = 12:27 in UTC-5, so additional 10 mins delay
My gateway is definitely only, i test every 30 secs, and i have three
more relays for redundancy, so it shouldnt be my part.
Seen this quite often for this list.
Simon
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 14:24:34 -0700
From: Grant Taylor <gtay...@tnetconsulting.net>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Delayed Posts?
Message-ID:
<0fccef7d-48dc-748c-35a5-2979cb70d...@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
On 12/15/21 9:48 AM, Anthony Hoppe wrote:
> seems the delay increased as the thread grew
I wonder if the mail server is having problems trying to connect to MXs
in / associated with AWS and thus having to time out each connection.
I would hope that Postfix has some sort of (maybe optional) inteligence
to know that the recipient host was down when it last tried, so maybe
don't try it again for an hour. I don't know Postfix nearly as well as
I do Sendmail. This is standard / best practice with Sendmail.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 07:57:35 +0000
From: Jeremy Chadwick <j...@koitsu.org>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Delayed Posts?
Message-ID:
<0101017dc23f194c-df7ed9cf-8c0f-4125-ac81-72b1099ee743-000...@us-west-2.amazonses.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I think that may be the case, but a detailed analysis would need to be
done on the part of a sender (who has control of their own outbound mail
server) and Jay and/or Jared. I fall into the former category since I
run a VPS with postfix, with a one caveat: I use AWS SES (us-west-2) for
my outbound mail. ;-)
The two things I saw happen on 12/15 with regards to outages were:
1) Delayed mails coming from puck. That is to say: puck wasn't sending
outbound mail (to recipients) as fast as usual. I saw a ~12 minute
delay (SMTP-wise) from when I sent my initial reply to Rusty to when I
got a copy,
2) Received 12 duplicates of the aforementioned reply, over the course
of a few hours. This was either an AWS problem (i.e. networking issues
in us-west-2 manifested very badly), or an SMTP-level problem between
puck and AWS (Jay/Jared would need to check postfix logs there to see
what happened). AWS SES us-west-2 was involved here too, obviously.
Regarding #2, I'll send them an off-list email with all the technical
details rather than clutter up this thread.
--
| Jeremy Chadwick jdc_at_koitsu.org |
| UNIX Systems Administrator PGP 0x2A389531 |
| Making life hard for others since 1977. |
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 02:24:34PM -0700, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/15/21 9:48 AM, Anthony Hoppe wrote:
> > seems the delay increased as the thread grew
>
> I wonder if the mail server is having problems trying to connect to MXs
> in / associated with AWS and thus having to time out each connection.
>
> I would hope that Postfix has some sort of (maybe optional) inteligence
> to know that the recipient host was down when it last tried, so maybe
> don't try it again for an hour. I don't know Postfix nearly as well as
> I do Sendmail. This is standard / best practice with Sendmail.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 08:55:24 -0600
From: Andy Ringsmuth <a...@andyring.com>
To: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: [Outages-discussion] Another AWS-East outage?
Message-ID: <027cc783-d58b-4f40-88f0-8ce9b90e7...@andyring.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-web-services-suffers-another-outage-11640182421
Not sure how big it was but must not have been too horrible as there wasn?t any
mention of it on the outages list.
----
Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com
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