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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8 (Matthew Walster)
2. Re: [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8 (Mark Tinka)
3. Re: [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8 (Mike Bolitho)
4. Re: [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8 (Mark Tinka)
5. Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8
(Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal))
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:39:10 +0000
From: Matthew Walster <matt...@walster.org>
To: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
Cc: "Jay R. Ashworth" <j...@baylink.com>, Jay Hennigan <j...@west.net>,
outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, 07:10 Mark Tinka, <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
> If Google significantly rate-limit or block 8.8.8.8 in a way that causes
> hardship, whatever is invented to replace it will catch on pretty quick.
>
And will cause a lot of bad press for them when they do it.
It doesn't matter what is invented to replace it, ping is on almost every
machine, and things like nslookup alternatives etc are just too difficult
to remember.
M
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 09:42:50 +0200
From: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
To: Matthew Walster <matt...@walster.org>
Cc: "Jay R. Ashworth" <j...@baylink.com>, Jay Hennigan <j...@west.net>,
outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8
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On 2/9/22 09:39, Matthew Walster wrote:
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> And will cause a lot of bad press for them when they do it.
As long as Maps, Search, Mail, Android, e.t.c., keeps working, the
majority of people who don't really care about what is being pinged will
be fine. Bad press, if I were Google, would be an easy storm to weather,
if it meant we can change the course of this problem.
>
> It doesn't matter what is invented to replace it, ping is on almost
> every machine, and things like nslookup alternatives etc are just too
> difficult to remember.
It does matter, if what we replace it with catches on. We just have to
deliberately do the work, or stop complaining when 8.8.8.8 "degrades"
and our customers complain.
Mark.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 06:12:07 -0700
From: Mike Bolitho <mikeboli...@gmail.com>
To: Matthew Walster <matt...@walster.org>
Cc: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>, outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8
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It creates no bad press for them. They've been doing this for the better
part of a decade. There is nothing that says any public facing server needs
to permit ICMP traffic. Polling servers have been around forever anyway,
they're not some new technology or something. They aren't limiting DNS
queries anyhow.
- Mike Bolitho
On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 12:43 AM Matthew Walster <matt...@walster.org> wrote:
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>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, 07:10 Mark Tinka, <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
>
>> If Google significantly rate-limit or block 8.8.8.8 in a way that causes
>> hardship, whatever is invented to replace it will catch on pretty quick.
>>
>
> And will cause a lot of bad press for them when they do it.
>
> It doesn't matter what is invented to replace it, ping is on almost every
> machine, and things like nslookup alternatives etc are just too difficult
> to remember.
>
>
> M
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 15:22:21 +0200
From: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
To: Mike Bolitho <mikeboli...@gmail.com>, Matthew Walster
<matt...@walster.org>
Cc: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Ping to Google 8.8.8.8
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On 2/9/22 15:12, Mike Bolitho wrote:
> It creates no bad press for them. They've been doing this for the
> better part of a decade. There is nothing that says any public facing
> server needs to permit ICMP traffic. Polling servers have been around
> forever anyway, they're not some new technology or something. They
> aren't limiting DNS queries anyhow.
The only people who will fuss is the network operations community. And
that is half a drop in the sea.
Mark.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 14:31:36 +0000
From: "Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal)" <brad.chap...@nbcuni.com>
To: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
Cc: Mike Bolitho <mikeboli...@gmail.com>, Matthew Walster
<matt...@walster.org>, "outages-discussion@outages.org"
<outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [EXTERNAL] Re: [outages] Ping to
Google 8.8.8.8
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Just trying to add a bit of levity to a tense discussion...
In my 15 years of IT, I've found that there is always a relevant XKCD comic
strip to provide insight or pithy commentary on any given situation.
This one is entitled "Google Announcement."
https://xkcd.com/1361/
-Brad
?Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 9, 2022, at 5:25 AM, Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
?
On 2/9/22 15:12, Mike Bolitho wrote:
It creates no bad press for them. They've been doing this for the better part
of a decade. There is nothing that says any public facing server needs to
permit ICMP traffic. Polling servers have been around forever anyway, they're
not some new technology or something. They aren't limiting DNS queries anyhow.
The only people who will fuss is the network operations community. And that is
half a drop in the sea.
Mark.
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