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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [outages] [Preemptive Strike] Ukraine requests Internet
Death Penalty for Russia (Darren Schreiber)
2. Re: [outages] [Preemptive Strike] Ukraine requests Internet
Death Penalty for Russia (Paul M - outages)
3. Re: [outages] [Preemptive Strike] Ukraine requests Internet
Death Penalty for Russia (Jason Watts)
4. Re: [outages] [Preemptive Strike] Ukraine requests Internet
Death Penalty for Russia (Patrick W. Gilmore)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 18:01:10 +0000
From: Darren Schreiber <dar...@2600hz.com>
To: Paul M - outages <paul+outa...@mansfield.co.uk>,
"outages-discussion@outages.org" <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [Preemptive Strike]
Ukraine requests Internet Death Penalty for Russia
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I agree. The complete opposite should occur - get the entire country Starlink
dishes or similar frankly.
?On 3/2/22, 9:41 AM, "Outages-discussion on behalf of Paul M - outages"
<outages-discussion-boun...@outages.org on behalf of
paul+outa...@mansfield.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 17:04, Jay R. Ashworth via Outages
<outa...@outages.org> wrote:
>
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ukraine-asks-for-russia-to-be-kicked-off-the-internet
there's good reason to believe that many Russians rely on the internet
to find out what's going on in the world, as all state media is
controlled. Just as in the west, younger people rely more on the
internet for information, and older people use the TV.
If they are blocked from the internet, the people will only receive
state propaganda, and will know nothing of the war against the Ukraine
etc. IMNSHO, the best way to prevent tyrants is to have educated citizens.
Therefore I would urge people to push back against an internet death
sentence against .RU
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 18:21:04 +0000
From: Paul M - outages <paul+outa...@mansfield.co.uk>
To: nhir...@nha.com
Cc: Darren Schreiber <dar...@2600hz.com>,
outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [Preemptive Strike]
Ukraine requests Internet Death Penalty for Russia
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:19, Norman Hirsch <nhir...@nha.com> wrote:
>
> Seems there might be some Russian government IPs or subnets that would be
> good to somehow disable.
but then how would Anonymous hack in to read all their emails ;-)
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:45:19 -0500
From: Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu>
Cc: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [Preemptive Strike]
Ukraine requests Internet Death Penalty for Russia
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It's certainly a double-edged sword.
Retaining connectivity allows citizens capable and willing to access
external information sources. It also allows outbound attacks from the
aggressor state towards any/all targets.
The other side of that coin is that it allows attacks and reconnaissance to
occur from outside as well as useful or critical information or
communications a path out to the world.
Perhaps the "nuclear" option should be retained for attacks or
activity puting the world at critical risk. The problem then is which and
how many states would be required to enact this option?
How could you prevent misapplication and how could you actually police it
when command and control could be air-gapped and the dangerous activity
actually sourced from another(nearly any) locale.
*--j*
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:27 PM Paul M - outages <
paul+outa...@mansfield.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:19, Norman Hirsch <nhir...@nha.com> wrote:
> >
> > Seems there might be some Russian government IPs or subnets that would
> be good to somehow disable.
>
> but then how would Anonymous hack in to read all their emails ;-)
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:59:02 -0500
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patr...@ianai.net>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [Preemptive Strike]
Ukraine requests Internet Death Penalty for Russia
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Most attacks launched by the Russian government will not come from Russian IP
addresses.
Cutting off communication is a bad idea. It will hurt the people we want to
help. And the people we want to hurt will not care. Just the opposite, they
will turn it into propaganda: Those westerners do not want you to have access
to the Internet! See how evil they are and how good we are?!?
Increase connectivity, do not decrease it.
--
TTFN,
patrick
> On Mar 2, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu> wrote:
>
> It's certainly a double-edged sword.
>
> Retaining connectivity allows citizens capable and willing to access external
> information sources. It also allows outbound attacks from the aggressor state
> towards any/all targets.
> The other side of that coin is that it allows attacks and reconnaissance to
> occur from outside as well as useful or critical information or
> communications a path out to the world.
> Perhaps the "nuclear" option should be retained for attacks or activity
> puting the world at critical risk. The problem then is which and how many
> states would be required to enact this option?
> How could you prevent misapplication and how could you actually police it
> when command and control could be air-gapped and the dangerous activity
> actually sourced from another(nearly any) locale.
>
> --j
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:27 PM Paul M - outages <paul+outa...@mansfield.co.uk
> <mailto:paul%2bouta...@mansfield.co.uk>> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:19, Norman Hirsch <nhir...@nha.com
> <mailto:nhir...@nha.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Seems there might be some Russian government IPs or subnets that would be
> > good to somehow disable.
>
> but then how would Anonymous hack in to read all their emails ;-)
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