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1. Re: [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2 down in LA area (Calvin E.)
2. Re: [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2 down in LA area
(Patrick W. Gilmore)
3. Re: [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2 down in LA area
(Charles Sprickman)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:45:07 -0800
From: "Calvin E." <calv...@gmail.com>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2
down in LA area
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Out of curiosity regarding non-Lumen customers using 4.2.2.2, why not use
the intentionally public DNS like Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 and Google
8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4?
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 10:30 Hunter Fuller via Outages <outa...@outages.org>
wrote:
> Additionally, configuring one DNS server is a bad idea. I?m not sure if
> 4.2.2.2 is anycasted, but 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6 exist and all work, so if
> you are a Lumen customer and want to use their resolvers, it?d be prudent
> to configure any two of those.
>
> In other words, I mean this as gently as possible, but one of six
> redundant servers going offline is not what I?d call an ?outage.?
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 08:34 Mike Bolitho via Outages <outa...@outages.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking as a former Level 3 employee from way back. 4.2.2.2 is NOT a
>> polling server. So if you're using it for that, you should stop. Second,
>> while it is publicly available for DNS, it is first and foremost a server
>> for Level 3 customers. What they do with it and how available it is outside
>> the network is not guaranteed. YMMV.
>>
>> - Mike Bolitho
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 3:03 AM Michael B. Williams via Outages <
>> outa...@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team - I have been seeing issues as well since approximately 19
>>> December 2022.
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 15:49:29 -0500
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patr...@ianai.net>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2
down in LA area
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Quad-9!!
9.9.9.9
--
TTFN,
patrick
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 15:45, Calvin E. via Outages-discussion
> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity regarding non-Lumen customers using 4.2.2.2, why not use the
> intentionally public DNS like Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 and Google 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4
> <http://8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4>?
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 10:30 Hunter Fuller via Outages <outa...@outages.org
> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>> Additionally, configuring one DNS server is a bad idea. I?m not sure if
>> 4.2.2.2 is anycasted, but 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6 exist and all work, so if
>> you are a Lumen customer and want to use their resolvers, it?d be prudent to
>> configure any two of those.
>>
>> In other words, I mean this as gently as possible, but one of six redundant
>> servers going offline is not what I?d call an ?outage.?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 08:34 Mike Bolitho via Outages <outa...@outages.org
>> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>> Speaking as a former Level 3 employee from way back. 4.2.2.2 is NOT a
>>> polling server. So if you're using it for that, you should stop. Second,
>>> while it is publicly available for DNS, it is first and foremost a server
>>> for Level 3 customers. What they do with it and how available it is outside
>>> the network is not guaranteed. YMMV.
>>>
>>> - Mike Bolitho
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 3:03 AM Michael B. Williams via Outages
>>> <outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Team - I have been seeing issues as well since approximately 19
>>>> December 2022.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> --
>> Hunter Fuller (they)
>> Router Jockey
>> VBH M-1C
>> +1 256 824 5331
>>
>> Office of Information Technology
>> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>> Network Engineering
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 16:58:12 -0500
From: Charles Sprickman <sp...@bway.net>
To: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patr...@ianai.net>
Cc: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2
down in LA area
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>From Verizon in the northeast you have to go all the way to Miami to hit them.
>I don't think they've quite built out something like the other public DNS
>resolvers yet... too much latency here from the northeast, and it's not like
>AS701 is a little "niche" provider.
traceroute to 9.9.9.9 (9.9.9.9), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 [AS701] lo0-100.NWRKNJ-VFTTP-312.verizon-gni.net (108.53.194.1) 1.461 ms
4.016 ms 4.026 ms
2 [AS701] 100.41.27.126 (100.41.27.126) 5.765 ms
[AS701] 100.41.27.128 (100.41.27.128) 2.792 ms 3.252 ms
3 [AS0] 0.csi1.NWRKNJ02-MSE01-BB-SU1.ALTER.NET (140.222.4.104) 3.830 ms
5.810 ms
[AS0] 0.csi1.NBWKNJNB-MSE01-BB-SU1.ALTER.NET (140.222.4.106) 5.787 ms
4 * * *
5 * * *
6 * [AS1299] nyk-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net (80.239.192.36) 3.698 ms *
7 [AS1299] nyk-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.135.162) 3.419 ms 3.371 ms
[AS1299] nyk-bb1-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.135.160) 3.976 ms
8 [AS1299] rest-bb1-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.141.244) 10.893 ms 13.279
ms
[AS1299] ash-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.136.201) 10.275 ms
9 [AS1299] mai-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.120.177) 62.750 ms
[AS1299] mai-b2-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.119.231) 35.217 ms 32.628 ms
10 [AS1299] mai-b1-link.ip.twelve99.net (62.115.125.7) 30.985 ms 30.413 ms
31.972 ms
11 [AS1299] packet23725-svc067139-ic350558.ip.twelve99-cust.net
(62.115.182.165) 32.467 ms 30.541 ms 32.401 ms
12 [AS19281] dns9.quad9.net (9.9.9.9) 32.920 ms !Z 35.039 ms !Z 34.747 ms !Z
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages-discussion
> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Quad-9!!
>
> 9.9.9.9
>
> --
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
>> On Mar 8, 2023, at 15:45, Calvin E. via Outages-discussion
>> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>> Out of curiosity regarding non-Lumen customers using 4.2.2.2, why not use
>> the intentionally public DNS like Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 and Google
>> 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 <http://8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4>?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 10:30 Hunter Fuller via Outages <outa...@outages.org
>> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>> Additionally, configuring one DNS server is a bad idea. I?m not sure if
>>> 4.2.2.2 is anycasted, but 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6 exist and all work, so if
>>> you are a Lumen customer and want to use their resolvers, it?d be prudent
>>> to configure any two of those.
>>>
>>> In other words, I mean this as gently as possible, but one of six redundant
>>> servers going offline is not what I?d call an ?outage.?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 08:34 Mike Bolitho via Outages <outa...@outages.org
>>> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>> Speaking as a former Level 3 employee from way back. 4.2.2.2 is NOT a
>>>> polling server. So if you're using it for that, you should stop. Second,
>>>> while it is publicly available for DNS, it is first and foremost a server
>>>> for Level 3 customers. What they do with it and how available it is
>>>> outside the network is not guaranteed. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> - Mike Bolitho
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 3:03 AM Michael B. Williams via Outages
>>>> <outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Team - I have been seeing issues as well since approximately 19
>>>>> December 2022.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
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>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hunter Fuller (they)
>>> Router Jockey
>>> VBH M-1C
>>> +1 256 824 5331
>>>
>>> Office of Information Technology
>>> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>>> Network Engineering
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
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