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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2 down in LA area
(Patrick W. Gilmore)
2. Re: [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2 down in LA area
(Jay Ashworth)
3. Re: [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2 down in LA area
(Patrick W. Gilmore)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:17:57 -0500
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patr...@ianai.net>
To: outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2
down in LA area
Message-ID: <8e49c1a4-9c6b-4026-a7ee-b060ff23c...@ianai.net>
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Ummmm?. https://www.quad9.net/
You forgot how to type ?whois??
--
TTFN,
patrick
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 16:58, Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, there are quite a number of publicly accessible - and publicly
> intended - customer resolver DNS servers not directly associated with access
> networks.
>
> The six DNS resolvers in the former gte/bbn 4/8 Network are not intended as
> publicly accessible servers, and indeed <admin>are not a suitable topic for
> outage reports on this list</admin>.
>
> Suitably vetted outage reports about such resolver servers which are intended
> for public use probably are. If you don't know what constitutes suitable
> vetting for such a report, you probably shouldn't make one. :-)
>
> Who does 9/8 belong to these days, Patrick?
>
> Cheers,
> --jra
>
> On March 8, 2023 3:49:29 PM EST, "Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages-discussion"
> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>> Quad-9!!
>>
>> 9.9.9.9
>>
>> --
>> TTFN,
>> patrick
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2023, at 15:45, Calvin E. via Outages-discussion
>>> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity regarding non-Lumen customers using 4.2.2.2, why not use
>>> the intentionally public DNS like Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 and Google
>>> 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 <http://8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4>?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 10:30 Hunter Fuller via Outages <outa...@outages.org
>>> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>> Additionally, configuring one DNS server is a bad idea. I?m not sure if
>>>> 4.2.2.2 is anycasted, but 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6 exist and all work, so
>>>> if you are a Lumen customer and want to use their resolvers, it?d be
>>>> prudent to configure any two of those.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, I mean this as gently as possible, but one of six
>>>> redundant servers going offline is not what I?d call an ?outage.?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 08:34 Mike Bolitho via Outages <outa...@outages.org
>>>> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>> Speaking as a former Level 3 employee from way back. 4.2.2.2 is NOT a
>>>>> polling server. So if you're using it for that, you should stop. Second,
>>>>> while it is publicly available for DNS, it is first and foremost a server
>>>>> for Level 3 customers. What they do with it and how available it is
>>>>> outside the network is not guaranteed. YMMV.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mike Bolitho
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 3:03 AM Michael B. Williams via Outages
>>>>> <outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Team - I have been seeing issues as well since approximately 19
>>>>>> December 2022.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hunter Fuller (they)
>>>> Router Jockey
>>>> VBH M-1C
>>>> +1 256 824 5331
>>>>
>>>> Office of Information Technology
>>>> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>>>> Network Engineering
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
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>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2023 17:20:02 -0500
From: Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com>
To: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patr...@ianai.net>, "Patrick W. Gilmore via
Outages-discussion" <outages-discussion@outages.org>,
outages-discussion@outages.org
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2
down in LA area
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I don't have a who is client on my phone, I'm sick in bed today, and I like
virendra's answer, which is that it's a slash 24 carve out from IBM, a lot
better than this one. :-)
I did specify 9/8.
On March 8, 2023 5:17:57 PM EST, "Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages-discussion"
<outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>Ummmm?. https://www.quad9.net/
>
>You forgot how to type ?whois??
>
>--
>TTFN,
>patrick
>
>> On Mar 8, 2023, at 16:58, Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com> wrote:
>>
>> Indeed, there are quite a number of publicly accessible - and publicly
>> intended - customer resolver DNS servers not directly associated with access
>> networks.
>>
>> The six DNS resolvers in the former gte/bbn 4/8 Network are not intended as
>> publicly accessible servers, and indeed <admin>are not a suitable topic for
>> outage reports on this list</admin>.
>>
>> Suitably vetted outage reports about such resolver servers which are
>> intended for public use probably are. If you don't know what constitutes
>> suitable vetting for such a report, you probably shouldn't make one. :-)
>>
>> Who does 9/8 belong to these days, Patrick?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --jra
>>
>> On March 8, 2023 3:49:29 PM EST, "Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages-discussion"
>> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quad-9!!
>>>
>>> 9.9.9.9
>>>
>>> --
>>> TTFN,
>>> patrick
>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2023, at 15:45, Calvin E. via Outages-discussion
>>>> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity regarding non-Lumen customers using 4.2.2.2, why not use
>>>> the intentionally public DNS like Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 and Google
>>>> 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 <http://8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4>?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 10:30 Hunter Fuller via Outages <outa...@outages.org
>>>> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>> Additionally, configuring one DNS server is a bad idea. I?m not sure if
>>>>> 4.2.2.2 is anycasted, but 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6 exist and all work, so
>>>>> if you are a Lumen customer and want to use their resolvers, it?d be
>>>>> prudent to configure any two of those.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, I mean this as gently as possible, but one of six
>>>>> redundant servers going offline is not what I?d call an ?outage.?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 08:34 Mike Bolitho via Outages
>>>>> <outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> Speaking as a former Level 3 employee from way back. 4.2.2.2 is NOT a
>>>>>> polling server. So if you're using it for that, you should stop. Second,
>>>>>> while it is publicly available for DNS, it is first and foremost a
>>>>>> server for Level 3 customers. What they do with it and how available it
>>>>>> is outside the network is not guaranteed. YMMV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Mike Bolitho
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 3:03 AM Michael B. Williams via Outages
>>>>>> <outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Team - I have been seeing issues as well since approximately 19
>>>>>>> December 2022.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hunter Fuller (they)
>>>>> Router Jockey
>>>>> VBH M-1C
>>>>> +1 256 824 5331
>>>>>
>>>>> Office of Information Technology
>>>>> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>>>>> Network Engineering
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Outages-discussion mailing list
>>>> Outages-discussion@outages.org
>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:28:40 -0500
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patr...@ianai.net>
To: Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com>
Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patr...@ianai.net>, "Patrick W. Gilmore via
Outages-discussion" <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [External] Re: 4.2.2.2
down in LA area
Message-ID: <c07ef4eb-8742-435b-9c7a-55c00e64a...@ianai.net>
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Everyone should have a terminal app on their phone!
Also, this is free and does everything you probably need:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/he-net-network-tools/id858241710. (Thank you Mike
& HE.net.)
--
TTFN,
patrick
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 17:20, Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com> wrote:
>
> I don't have a who is client on my phone, I'm sick in bed today, and I like
> virendra's answer, which is that it's a slash 24 carve out from IBM, a lot
> better than this one. :-)
>
> I did specify 9/8.
>
> On March 8, 2023 5:17:57 PM EST, "Patrick W. Gilmore via Outages-discussion"
> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ummmm?. https://www.quad9.net/
>>
>> You forgot how to type ?whois??
>>
>> --
>> TTFN,
>> patrick
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2023, at 16:58, Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Indeed, there are quite a number of publicly accessible - and publicly
>>> intended - customer resolver DNS servers not directly associated with
>>> access networks.
>>>
>>> The six DNS resolvers in the former gte/bbn 4/8 Network are not intended as
>>> publicly accessible servers, and indeed <admin>are not a suitable topic for
>>> outage reports on this list</admin>.
>>>
>>> Suitably vetted outage reports about such resolver servers which are
>>> intended for public use probably are. If you don't know what constitutes
>>> suitable vetting for such a report, you probably shouldn't make one. :-)
>>>
>>> Who does 9/8 belong to these days, Patrick?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> --jra
>>>
>>> On March 8, 2023 3:49:29 PM EST, "Patrick W. Gilmore via
>>> Outages-discussion" <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quad-9!!
>>>>
>>>> 9.9.9.9
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> TTFN,
>>>> patrick
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2023, at 15:45, Calvin E. via Outages-discussion
>>>>> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of curiosity regarding non-Lumen customers using 4.2.2.2, why not use
>>>>> the intentionally public DNS like Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 and Google
>>>>> 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 <http://8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4>?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 10:30 Hunter Fuller via Outages <outa...@outages.org
>>>>> <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> Additionally, configuring one DNS server is a bad idea. I?m not sure if
>>>>>> 4.2.2.2 is anycasted, but 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.6 exist and all work, so
>>>>>> if you are a Lumen customer and want to use their resolvers, it?d be
>>>>>> prudent to configure any two of those.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, I mean this as gently as possible, but one of six
>>>>>> redundant servers going offline is not what I?d call an ?outage.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 08:34 Mike Bolitho via Outages
>>>>>> <outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Speaking as a former Level 3 employee from way back. 4.2.2.2 is NOT a
>>>>>>> polling server. So if you're using it for that, you should stop.
>>>>>>> Second, while it is publicly available for DNS, it is first and
>>>>>>> foremost a server for Level 3 customers. What they do with it and how
>>>>>>> available it is outside the network is not guaranteed. YMMV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Mike Bolitho
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 3:03 AM Michael B. Williams via Outages
>>>>>>> <outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Team - I have been seeing issues as well since approximately 19
>>>>>>>> December 2022.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Hunter Fuller (they)
>>>>>> Router Jockey
>>>>>> VBH M-1C
>>>>>> +1 256 824 5331
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Office of Information Technology
>>>>>> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>>>>>> Network Engineering
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Outages mailing list
>>>>>> outa...@outages.org <mailto:outa...@outages.org>
>>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Outages-discussion mailing list
>>>>> Outages-discussion@outages.org
>>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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