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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular
network 2024-02-22 (Andy Ringsmuth)
2. Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular
network 2024-02-22 (Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal))
3. Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular
network 2024-02-22 (Christopher Conley)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:11:07 -0600
From: Andy Ringsmuth <a...@andyring.com>
To: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL]
Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
Message-ID: <57a1c28e-505d-4dd5-9306-697b41d55...@andyring.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 1:41?PM, Christopher Conley via Outages
> <outa...@outages.org> wrote:
>
> There have been numerous articles on it, including by AP & Reuters:
>
> https://apnews.com/article/cellular-att-verizon-tmobile-outage-02d8dfd93019e79e5e2edbeed08ee450
>
> https://www.reuters.com/technology/cellular-outage-us-hits-att-t-mobile-verizon-users-downdetector-shows-2024-02-22/
> If you don?t trust newswire agencies like AP/Reuters, then you have a
> different problem entirely.
> And here it is directly from the horse?s mouth:
> https://about.att.com/pages/network-update
FTA above:
"A number of Americans are dealing with cellular outages on AT&T, Cricket
Wireless, Verizon, T-Mobile and other service providers, according to data from
Downdetector. AT&T, who was the hardest hit, is actively working to restore
service to all of its customers.?
So no, of course I don?t trust AP or Reuters or anyone else when it comes to
nitty gritty tech topics. They write an entire article based on ?data from
Downdetector? which as we know is garbage.
The AP article you cited goes on to say:
"Verizon had more than 2,000 outages and T-Mobile had more than 1,400 outages.
Boost Mobile had about 700 outages.?
NO THEY DIDN?T.
Gahhhhh. An even halfway competent reporter would have said ?Downdetector users
reported more than 2,000 outages on Verizon, 1,400 on T-Mobile and 700 on Boost
Mobile. Downdetector information consists of unconfirmed reports from
individual users and do not represent official statements from those carriers."
The media is so freaking lazy it is beyond disgusting. They take information
from Downdetector, which is 100 percent user-submitted and is NOT an official
source of anything, and build their entire article on it.
So no, none of us should trust the media on these issues. None of us. I
specifically DO NOT trust AP/Reuters/etc. because I am more technically
competent than their reporters. All of us here are.
-Andy
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:25:13 +0000
From: "Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal)" <brad.chap...@nbcuni.com>
To: Andy Ringsmuth <a...@andyring.com>
Cc: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL]
Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
Message-ID: <26957516-eba6-455f-bc27-bf5bc7b28...@nbcuni.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Andy,
Respectfully, no amount of ?garbage? reporting is worth that kind of flaming
and vitriol.
Or, if you prefer, I can forward your comments to someone in our News
department, since I work for one of those organizations. I?m sure they?d love
to hear your insightful feedback on their research skills.
Do I have your permission to share the email unedited?
-Brad
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Andy Ringsmuth via Outages-discussion
> <outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Feb 22, 2024, at 1:41?PM, Christopher Conley via Outages
>> <outa...@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>> There have been numerous articles on it, including by AP & Reuters:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://apnews.com/article/cellular-att-verizon-tmobile-outage-02d8dfd93019e79e5e2edbeed08ee450__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!p1ahQFSwDiuas79nPV3ZYaWPjS76vEGU0wRxGX8UsZDT-u2Ah0ihceAZOrVTxOgUk6bkhuqP3jehcW4XiquMRswC2yUcj0Q$
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.reuters.com/technology/cellular-outage-us-hits-att-t-mobile-verizon-users-downdetector-shows-2024-02-22/__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!p1ahQFSwDiuas79nPV3ZYaWPjS76vEGU0wRxGX8UsZDT-u2Ah0ihceAZOrVTxOgUk6bkhuqP3jehcW4XiquMRswCiEKouZs$
>>
>> If you don?t trust newswire agencies like AP/Reuters, then you have a
>> different problem entirely.
>> And here it is directly from the horse?s mouth:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://about.att.com/pages/network-update__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!p1ahQFSwDiuas79nPV3ZYaWPjS76vEGU0wRxGX8UsZDT-u2Ah0ihceAZOrVTxOgUk6bkhuqP3jehcW4XiquMRswC3TzLv0Y$
>>
>
> FTA above:
>
> "A number of Americans are dealing with cellular outages on AT&T, Cricket
> Wireless, Verizon, T-Mobile and other service providers, according to data
> from Downdetector. AT&T, who was the hardest hit, is actively working to
> restore service to all of its customers.?
>
> So no, of course I don?t trust AP or Reuters or anyone else when it comes to
> nitty gritty tech topics. They write an entire article based on ?data from
> Downdetector? which as we know is garbage.
>
> The AP article you cited goes on to say:
>
> "Verizon had more than 2,000 outages and T-Mobile had more than 1,400
> outages. Boost Mobile had about 700 outages.?
>
> NO THEY DIDN?T.
>
> Gahhhhh. An even halfway competent reporter would have said ?Downdetector
> users reported more than 2,000 outages on Verizon, 1,400 on T-Mobile and 700
> on Boost Mobile. Downdetector information consists of unconfirmed reports
> from individual users and do not represent official statements from those
> carriers."
>
> The media is so freaking lazy it is beyond disgusting. They take information
> from Downdetector, which is 100 percent user-submitted and is NOT an official
> source of anything, and build their entire article on it.
>
> So no, none of us should trust the media on these issues. None of us. I
> specifically DO NOT trust AP/Reuters/etc. because I am more technically
> competent than their reporters. All of us here are.
>
> -Andy
>
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>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:33:05 +0000
From: Christopher Conley <ccon...@forsmarsh.com>
To: Andy Ringsmuth <a...@andyring.com>, Outages Discussion
<outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL]
Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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> The AP article you cited goes on to say:
>
> "Verizon had more than 2,000 outages and T-Mobile had more than 1,400
> outages. Boost Mobile had about 700 outages.?
>
> NO THEY DIDN?T.
Is that the line where you stopped reading, or did you intentionally skip the
next two paragraphs of the article?:
?Verizon?s network is operating normally. Some customers experienced issues
this morning when calling or texting with customers served by another carrier.
We are continuing to monitor the situation,? Verizon said.
T-Mobile said that it did not experience an outage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Outages-discussion <outages-discussion-boun...@outages.org> On Behalf Of
Andy Ringsmuth via Outages-discussion
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 3:11 PM
To: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT
cellular network 2024-02-22
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 1:41?PM, Christopher Conley via Outages
> <outa...@outages.org> wrote:
>
> There have been numerous articles on it, including by AP & Reuters:
>
> https://apnews.com/article/cellular-att-verizon-tmobile-outage-02d8dfd
> 93019e79e5e2edbeed08ee450
> https://www.reuters.com/technology/cellular-outage-us-hits-att-t-mobile-verizon-users-downdetector-shows-2024-02-22/
> If you don?t trust newswire agencies like AP/Reuters, then you have a
> different problem entirely.
> And here it is directly from the horse?s mouth:
> https://about.att.com/pages/network-update
FTA above:
"A number of Americans are dealing with cellular outages on AT&T, Cricket
Wireless, Verizon, T-Mobile and other service providers, according to data from
Downdetector. AT&T, who was the hardest hit, is actively working to restore
service to all of its customers.?
So no, of course I don?t trust AP or Reuters or anyone else when it comes to
nitty gritty tech topics. They write an entire article based on ?data from
Downdetector? which as we know is garbage.
The AP article you cited goes on to say:
"Verizon had more than 2,000 outages and T-Mobile had more than 1,400 outages.
Boost Mobile had about 700 outages.?
NO THEY DIDN?T.
Gahhhhh. An even halfway competent reporter would have said ?Downdetector users
reported more than 2,000 outages on Verizon, 1,400 on T-Mobile and 700 on Boost
Mobile. Downdetector information consists of unconfirmed reports from
individual users and do not represent official statements from those carriers."
The media is so freaking lazy it is beyond disgusting. They take information
from Downdetector, which is 100 percent user-submitted and is NOT an official
source of anything, and build their entire article on it.
So no, none of us should trust the media on these issues. None of us. I
specifically DO NOT trust AP/Reuters/etc. because I am more technically
competent than their reporters. All of us here are.
-Andy
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