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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Facebook Messenger rolls out end-to-end encryption, with
no warning (Jeffrey Ollie)
2. Re: Facebook Messenger rolls out end-to-end encryption, with
no warning (Jay R. Ashworth)
3. Re: Facebook Messenger rolls out end-to-end encryption, with
no warning (Shaun Potts)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:48:54 -0500
From: Jeffrey Ollie <j...@ocjtech.us>
To: "Jay R. Ashworth" <j...@baylink.com>
Cc: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Facebook Messenger rolls out
end-to-end encryption, with no warning
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Well, no notice other than the press release that they sent out four months
ago?
https://about.fb.com/news/2023/12/default-end-to-end-encryption-on-messenger/
https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/6/23991501/facebook-messenger-default-end-to-end-encryption-meta
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/meta-announces-end-end-encryption-default-messenger
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67646047
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 10:55?AM Jay R. Ashworth via Outages-discussion <
outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
> ADVISORY: Without warning, as usual, Facebook is doing another of its
> passive-aggressive "we're going to make things better for you, TAKE THAT!"
> moves.
>
> This one entails Messenger, and the fact that they're switching it to
> end-to-end encryption, so now you can talk about your affairs without
> your spouse who works for Facebook being able to read it.
>
> If you use the mobile Messenger client *and* the web-based one, you'll
> have to set (and not forget) a 6-digit pin, so that each client can
> decrypt
> your chat-message history. There are two other choices, and one of those
> might be better for you if you *don't* use multiple devices...
>
> I would say give this one some thought before choosing, but that's where
> the passive-aggressive part comes in: you can't. I didn't hear any
> warnings
> in my channels that this was coming. And certainly none *from Facebook
> itself*.
>
> As usual, this is on-topic, at least for -discuss, because people who run
> eyeball networks may get queries on this from customers, and FB is Rilly
> Big.
>
> Be careful out there, people...
>
> Next on the docket: TikTok and it's (arguably) CCP-controlled ownership.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
>
> --
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
> j...@baylink.com
> Designer The Things I Think RFC
> 2100
> Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land
> Rover DII
> St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647
> 1274
> _______________________________________________
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Jeff Ollie
The majestik m??se is one of the m?ni interesting furry animals in Sweden.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 01:56:02 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <j...@baylink.com>
To: Jeffrey Ollie <j...@ocjtech.us>
Cc: Outages Discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Facebook Messenger rolls out
end-to-end encryption, with no warning
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It's been a busy four months here; I didn't see that they did anything
on-platform, until they actually launched it. Thanks for the links.
Cheers,
-- jra
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Ollie" <j...@ocjtech.us>
> To: "jra" <j...@baylink.com>
> Cc: "Outages Discussion" <outages-discussion@outages.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 8:48:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Facebook Messenger rolls out end-to-end
> encryption, with no warning
> Well, no notice other than the press release that they sent out four months
> ago?
>
> https://about.fb.com/news/2023/12/default-end-to-end-encryption-on-messenger/
> https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/6/23991501/facebook-messenger-default-end-to-end-encryption-meta
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/meta-announces-end-end-encryption-default-messenger
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67646047
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 10:55?AM Jay R. Ashworth via Outages-discussion <
> outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
>
>> ADVISORY: Without warning, as usual, Facebook is doing another of its
>> passive-aggressive "we're going to make things better for you, TAKE THAT!"
>> moves.
>>
>> This one entails Messenger, and the fact that they're switching it to
>> end-to-end encryption, so now you can talk about your affairs without
>> your spouse who works for Facebook being able to read it.
>>
>> If you use the mobile Messenger client *and* the web-based one, you'll
>> have to set (and not forget) a 6-digit pin, so that each client can
>> decrypt
>> your chat-message history. There are two other choices, and one of those
>> might be better for you if you *don't* use multiple devices...
>>
>> I would say give this one some thought before choosing, but that's where
>> the passive-aggressive part comes in: you can't. I didn't hear any
>> warnings
>> in my channels that this was coming. And certainly none *from Facebook
>> itself*.
>>
>> As usual, this is on-topic, at least for -discuss, because people who run
>> eyeball networks may get queries on this from customers, and FB is Rilly
>> Big.
>>
>> Be careful out there, people...
>>
>> Next on the docket: TikTok and it's (arguably) CCP-controlled ownership.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- jra
>>
>> --
>> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
>> j...@baylink.com
>> Designer The Things I Think RFC
>> 2100
>> Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land
>> Rover DII
>> St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647
>> 1274
>> _______________________________________________
>> Outages-discussion mailing list
>> Outages-discussion@outages.org
>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
>>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Ollie
> The majestik m??se is one of the m?ni interesting furry animals in Sweden.
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:40:01 -0400
From: Shaun Potts <shaun.m.po...@gmail.com>
To: "Jay R. Ashworth" <j...@baylink.com>
Cc: Jeffrey Ollie <j...@ocjtech.us>, Outages Discussion
<outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Facebook Messenger rolls out
end-to-end encryption, with no warning
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idk why but this is just a really dumb thing to complain about
On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 9:56?PM Jay R. Ashworth via Outages-discussion <
outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
> It's been a busy four months here; I didn't see that they did anything
> on-platform, until they actually launched it. Thanks for the links.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeffrey Ollie" <j...@ocjtech.us>
> > To: "jra" <j...@baylink.com>
> > Cc: "Outages Discussion" <outages-discussion@outages.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 8:48:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Facebook Messenger rolls out
> end-to-end encryption, with no warning
>
> > Well, no notice other than the press release that they sent out four
> months
> > ago?
> >
> >
> https://about.fb.com/news/2023/12/default-end-to-end-encryption-on-messenger/
> >
> https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/6/23991501/facebook-messenger-default-end-to-end-encryption-meta
> >
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/meta-announces-end-end-encryption-default-messenger
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67646047
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 10:55?AM Jay R. Ashworth via Outages-discussion <
> > outages-discussion@outages.org> wrote:
> >
> >> ADVISORY: Without warning, as usual, Facebook is doing another of its
> >> passive-aggressive "we're going to make things better for you, TAKE
> THAT!"
> >> moves.
> >>
> >> This one entails Messenger, and the fact that they're switching it to
> >> end-to-end encryption, so now you can talk about your affairs without
> >> your spouse who works for Facebook being able to read it.
> >>
> >> If you use the mobile Messenger client *and* the web-based one, you'll
> >> have to set (and not forget) a 6-digit pin, so that each client can
> >> decrypt
> >> your chat-message history. There are two other choices, and one of
> those
> >> might be better for you if you *don't* use multiple devices...
> >>
> >> I would say give this one some thought before choosing, but that's where
> >> the passive-aggressive part comes in: you can't. I didn't hear any
> >> warnings
> >> in my channels that this was coming. And certainly none *from Facebook
> >> itself*.
> >>
> >> As usual, this is on-topic, at least for -discuss, because people who
> run
> >> eyeball networks may get queries on this from customers, and FB is Rilly
> >> Big.
> >>
> >> Be careful out there, people...
> >>
> >> Next on the docket: TikTok and it's (arguably) CCP-controlled ownership.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> -- jra
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
> >> j...@baylink.com
> >> Designer The Things I Think
> RFC
> >> 2100
> >> Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land
> >> Rover DII
> >> St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727
> 647
> >> 1274
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Outages-discussion mailing list
> >> Outages-discussion@outages.org
> >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Ollie
> > The majestik m??se is one of the m?ni interesting furry animals in
> Sweden.
>
> --
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
> j...@baylink.com
> Designer The Things I Think RFC
> 2100
> Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land
> Rover DII
> St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647
> 1274
> _______________________________________________
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