On 25.07.2011, at 10:55, Aaron Reichman wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Frank Karlitschek <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On 25.07.2011, at 09:53, Aaron Reichman wrote: > > > Agreed, I just wanted to give people a reference point to make it easier to > > understand what we're trying to do. What if I changed it to this: > > > > "...trying to create a personal cloud server that starts at the same point > > as services like iCloud/MobileMe & Dropbox but grows from there to whatever > > we want it to be." > > > Great :-) > > > > Also, I'd be interested in your thoughts on how closely we should tie > > ourselves to KDE. > > Do you mean KDE the community or KDE the Desktop? ;-) > ownCloud is clearly not part of KDE SC (The Desktop) because it is server > software and not client software. So it doesn´t make sense to bundle it with > other KDE software. > But we should integrate with the KDE Desktop as good as possible. This > doesn´t meant that integration with GNOME, Windows, Android, iOS, ... is > less important of course. In a perfect world ownCloud works perfectly with > every Desktop, Mobile. and Tablet > > But ownCloud is clearly part of the KDE community. We share the same ideas. > we use the same infrastructure, we go to the same conferences. So I think > that ownCloud is part of the KDE and free software family. > > What do others think? > > I don't have any problem with that as long as everybody is aware that it will > make it more difficult for us to convince other people to join us. A project > that lends itself to desktop integration being part of a community that has a > desktop gives the impression of a self-contained entity. Nothing wrong with > that, I just think we should be aware of it. > > Personally, I like the idea of strengthening our ties to other projects by > being a separate entity that interacts equally with everybody like Apache, > Wordpress and other server based projects. I think we run the risk of > becoming the KDE cloud otherwise when we could be the open/free cloud. Nobody > else is doing the things we're doing in the way we're doing them and I think > we should make the most of the situation we find ourselves in. Nothing stops > us from being just as involved in KDE as we are now while becoming more > involved with gnome, XFCE, enlightenment and whoever else wants to help us > out. > > That being said, I have no problems with being a KDE project, either. KDE is > an amazing community and we should be proud to be a part of it. I just think > we can maintain a great relationship with KDE without sacrificing other > possible relationships. Whatever the group decides I'm fine with, just wanted > to put in my $0.02.
Thats a good point. It would be indeed bad if ownCloud is seen as "The KDE cloud solution". People might think:"I don´t use a KDE Desktop so I don´t need ownCloud" We should discuss this at the Desktop Summit. You are also coming right? ;-) > > > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Frank Karlitschek <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Sounds great! > > > > Only one remark. I don´t think we should describe ownCloud as a competitor > > to iCloud or Dropbox. This sounds like we try to imitate others. Our goal > > is not to reimplement existing solutions like other free software projects > > try to reimplement existing proprietary software. Our goal is to become the > > market leader, create something completely new, be innovative, dropbox or > > ubuntu one have to copy us in the near future, not the other way arounds. > > ;-) > > > > > > Cheers > > Frank > > > > > > > > On 25.07.2011, at 08:43, Aaron Reichman wrote: > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > > > > I've been thinking about the best ways to build up the ownCloud community > > > and I'm very interested in sending feelers out to other projects to try > > > and get them to join. What follows is a draft of an email to send to > > > those projects that I wanted to get feedback on. I also wanted to address > > > the idea of how closely we want to be tied to KDE. I personally love the > > > project and think the infrastructure they provide has been great for us. > > > But now, we're at a point where we should decide if we want to move > > > deeper into KDE (move to extragear instead of playground, perhaps?) or > > > become a separate project with ties to many desktop environments. I'd > > > rather consciously make this decision than follow the path of least > > > resistance. At least then we can justify it if we need to. Also, it very > > > much impacts how other people and projects view us and thus directly > > > affects the recipients of this email. > > > > > > Thanks everybody, > > > Aaron > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > My name is Aaron and I'm involved in the ownCloud project that's trying > > > to create a personal cloud server to compete with services like > > > iCloud/MobileMe & Dropbox. We think that this project will give free > > > software a way to reach out to all the people who are taking their files > > > and data into the cloud without bombarding them with ads or making them > > > give up their privacy. > > > > > > ownCloud is a desktop-agnostic project that (of course) uses open > > > standards like webDAV, cardDAV, calDAV and syncml. Because of this it > > > already integrates well with most desktops environments. Right now we > > > have basic functionality. File uploading, downloading and viewing/playing > > > of some file types (images and audio) work in the web interface and it > > > can be accessed through Nautilus, Dolphin, Finder & Explorer very easily. > > > We're also working on lots of great features like LDAP integration, a > > > media player, server-server syncing, PIM syncing and basic document > > > editing. > > > > > > But so many features combined with a relatively small group of > > > programmers makes for slow going so we're reaching out to other projects > > > we hope will benefit from ownCloud. Because there is no desktop specific > > > code, just HTML, PHP & JS, it's very easy to get started. And, like every > > > other project, lots of different skill sets are necessary, from > > > translators to usability experts to coders and testers. > > > > > > Anybody who wants to see what we're all about can join #owncloud on > > > freenode or email [email protected]. To make it easier to get started I > > > can give a limited number of accounts on my personal owncloud server to > > > people who want to try it out. > > > > > > I know this email has gotten long but hopefully it conveys how excited we > > > are to be creating a personal cloud server. More and more of our lives > > > are moving into the cloud and the open source community needs to be a > > > part of that future in a way that stays true to our principles. This is a > > > way to do that and we'd like to bring together as many different > > > communities as possible. So, if nothing else, please take a look at the > > > website (http://www.owncloud.org) and send an email to the list > > > requesting a test account. Lots of things work now but there are many > > > more things we can accomplish by working together. > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > > Aaron > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Owncloud mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud > > > > > > -- > > Frank Karlitschek > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Frank Karlitschek > [email protected] > > > > > -- Frank Karlitschek [email protected] _______________________________________________ Owncloud mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud
