Why the heck are we using PHP anyway? ;-) /me hides
Am Dienstag, dem 09.10.2012 um 16:20 schrieb Victor Dubiniuk: > Hi Bernhard, > > I have a long experience with Smarty and tried a couple of other template > engines. Most of them is nothing but PHP written in PHP. > There are some brilliant exclusions like Slim and Haml in Ruby but both are > not implemented in PHP completely. > I consider phtml to be the best option for templates. One can say it is > weird for designers but any other non-HTML syntax is weird for designers > either. > It's just my humble opinion. :) > > --- > Victor > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Bernhard Posselt <nukeawh...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > I've ran into multiple problems with the current template engine setup. > > > > * Lack of documenation: > > Since these are only used by Owncloud, we have to maintain the > > documentation on the template engine. Using a third party engine would > > simplify documentation since we only would have to document how this is > > built into Owncloud. Not to mention that there isnt actually any > > documentation about the current templating engine at all from what Ive > > found (http://api.owncloud.org/classes/OCP.Template.html) > > > > * Lack of template inheritance: > > Currently we can only organize templates by splitting them into > > different parts and including them in a Top-Down like fashion. Template > > inheritance solves this kinds of problems (an example: > > > > https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/templates/#template-inheritance > > ) > > > > * Weird and unsafe XSS escaping: > > Most important topic for me. We currently escape values when they're > > assigned to a template like $tpl->assign('var', $var). If you dont want > > to invoke the XSS protection on the variable, you use > > $tpl->assign('var', $var, false) which is really weird and non obvious. > > Also: What do we escape? IIRC variables and arrays, but what about > > objects? We at the news app pass an array with objects to the template > > layer. Are the properties escaped? If they are, this could lead to > > potential weird behaviour, not to speak of the performance impact > > (reflection). As you see, theres no sane way to do XSS escaping when > > passing values to the template layer. > > > > The solution? Easy: escape the values when they are printed to the > > template. Most template engines forbid you to use PHP in the templates > > (which is a good decision) and provide their own print statements like > > Django's {{ variable }} or Rail's <%= variable %>. All printed values > > are automatically escaped by default! If you want to prevent escaping > > you just use a filter like {{ var|safe }}. The word safe alone gets me > > thinking: why is it called safe? What are the risks? > > > > * Allowing PHP code in templates: > > This is not only a security problem stated by the previous point, but > > also an invitation to code mess. Allowing PHP code in the template > > tempts people to disregard the MVC principles (like for instance doing > > database queries in the templates, we have that problem too, I admit), > > which makes your templates really inflexible and really hard to change. > > Everytime I try to clean up our templates or adjust them, I give up in > > frustration because I'd have to adjust all templates, some of which are > > generated in a recursive way and thus also very complicated to understand. > > > > Coming from Django I've looked at two similar engines: > > > > http://www.h2o-template.org/ > > http://twig.sensiolabs.org/ > > > > Both have good documentation, Twig doesnt do autoescaping but theres a > > block for that. I'm curious about other suggestions, and it would also > > be fine if they could be reviewed from a security context. > > > > PS: Sorry for the long post, here's a potato > > http://efr0702.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/potato-b.jpg > > > > Cheers > > > > Bernhard Posselt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Owncloud mailing list > > Owncloud@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud > > _______________________________________________ Owncloud mailing list Owncloud@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/owncloud