Right, but this doesn’t at all address the accessibility problem with windows 8 modern. Are you guys aware that blind users and users of screen readers and assistive technology like me are completely or 90percent cut off from the tiled world because no accessibility testing is done on these new apps? Out of all the apps in the store, I can only get three to work even close to satisfactorally with any screen reader (system Access preferred) and those three are builtin apps; messanger, Sky Drive, and the store app itself. None of the others (even if the accessibility rating says “yes”), are actually accessible either producing no speech output when a screen reader looks for something to output, or producing less than satisfactory speech feedback. Maybe I would be more accepting of the new style if the new style were accepting of blind individuals and that accessibility testing were part of the criteria for certification?
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Fredericks, Chris Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:36 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro? I am a recent convert to Xamarin products to do cross-platform development all in C# for iOS, Android and Windows – all from within Visual Studio 2012 using a Mac mini as the iOS build server. Not cheap at $999 per platform, but there are free Starter and $299 independent developer editions. http://www.xamarin.com I licensed the iOS and Android Xamarin products so I can now build those platforms in addition to all things Windows/Windows Phone all using C# which I also happen to love, and have no plans to use HTML/JS whatsoever. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of jasi...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:jasi...@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2013 5:39 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro? Yeah, I’ve also heard on various podcasts that while there are a good deal of HTML/JS apps in the store they are not the majority. I chose XAML/C# for my apps as I’ve done Silverlight/WPF/Win Phone so seemed like the logical choice for me (I also happen to like XAML, Blend etc) but it’s certainly not a religious thing just a personal choice. Also I happen to love C# 😊 I might even try writing my next Windows Store app in HTML/js/css just to see what it’s like... Sent from Windows Mail From: David Kean Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2013 3:28 PM To: ozDotNet That is not true. JavaScript/HTML is nowhere close to .NET in the store. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:47 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro? Then why are the majority rather than the minority of windows 8 modern apps (I hate that term when talking about computers and servers, belongs on a mobile phone), nearly all written in pure HTML5 and JS? Where’s the C# or VB in them? And touting HTML5 and JS more than the .net framework sounds more like a kill-off rather than an enhancement. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Arjang Assadi Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:12 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro? Not taken over but augmented with, .net still reigns supreme, js and html allow one to rich the poorest of places in terms of OS and framework. Knowing knockout, backbone etc. is a must for any .net programmer. On 10 April 2013 19:15, Bec Carter <bec.usern...@gmail.com<mailto:bec.usern...@gmail.com>> wrote: .net taken over by html and js? Haha looks like the pendulum is swinging back again.... On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Katherine Moss <katherine.m...@gordon.edu<mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu>> wrote: I disagree, still. WPF was expanded for instance, from versions 4.0 to 4.5 of the .net framework significantly from what I can tell from MSDN. And besides, since Windows 8 modern apps are so limited in their feature set compared to what we know currently today, I sort of consider Microsoft a little crazy for thinking that everyone’s going to accept less than what they have now. And that’s what scares me about the “Gemini” update for Office coming in the future since in order to metro-ize Office completely, according to sources of Mary Joe Fowley on All About Microsoft over at ZDNet, she says that what people are telling her is that the update will be a subset of the current feature set. And that’s what gets me; what about enthusiasts who need more than just a Fisher Price version? What if we want all of the cool features? What is Microsoft telling us to do, never move on because they are interested in depleting stuff? And then in terms of .net being taken over by HTML and JavaScript? How much more 1990’s can you get? Come on, jees. I’ll never accept a version of Windows or it’s successors without .net installed and living in some form. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:27 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro? Its legacy simply because no investment will be put into it. Windows XP is legacy even though I still see people inside a Fortune 500 company right now using at as a desktop OS. Silverlight/WPF concepts and IP were consolidated and rehydrated into the Windows 8 XAML "runtime" so in a way Legacy would also imply that the vNext is the "new" and the older version are the old (just like Silverlight 2 is legacy vs Silverlight 4). The problem is Microsoft didn't understand what the notion of a "messaging framework" is in terms of Marketing and so they left that part out creating this whole conversation right now around Legacy true/false. Its also legacy because of the uncertainty in a lot of enterprise/companies around the "AS-IS" futures they've in turn suspended investment or looking to shift to a HTML5 deployment model or are open to new ideas around next bets. That's not to say a new project isnt created every 5secs in WPF/SL today... it's just not advertised and creates this whole "is it alive or isnt it" question. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Katherine Moss <katherine.m...@gordon.edu<mailto:katherine.m...@gordon.edu>> wrote: I don’t know why people keep calling stuff like WPF and Win32/64 applications “old and legacy”. I still see people using WPF all the time, so obviously it’s still got some spirit in it. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Arjang Assadi Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:14 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro? RT totally rocks, since I got it haven't put it down, it is just pure awesome. It is light, app switching and screen splitting are so easy. Since I got one I cant remember a day I didn't have it in my hand, most of times without the cover. I would like a Pro for alternative set of reasons, but RT will still be lighter. Regards Arjang On 2 April 2013 10:49, James Chapman-Smith <ja...@chapman-smith.com<mailto:ja...@chapman-smith.com>> wrote: Hi Folks, I'm thinking about getting myself either a Surface RT or a Surface Pro (or maybe some other alternative). Every time I think about it I convince myself that one is better than the other but then the next time I flip. What are everyone's thoughts? Should I get a Surface RT or a Surface Pro? Should I get a surface at all? How much memory should I get? I thank you for your well thought out ideas in advance. Cheers. James.
