Never said a calorie is a calorie. Anyway try it, cut calories by like 300-500 a day and you will lose weight.
Anyway this post was about sit stand desks... On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> wrote: > 'As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories' > > Read The Case Against Sugar or Pure White and Deadly, or watch That Sugar > Film, or The Men That Made Us Fat. They all make the point that the basic > biochemistry (which is well established) *absolutely* disagrees with > this. Fat, glucose and fructose all have very different pathways for > metabolism, which makes a lie of the 'calorie is a calorie' mantra (itself > accused of being an invention of the sugar industry). In That Sugar Film > (admittedly a sample size of one) he puts on significant weight without > changing total calorific intake, by swapping fat for sugar (and explains > why). > > I take everything I read highly skeptically, but in particular The Case > Against Sugar is very comprehensively argued and well worth reading. The > historical context is particularly damming. > > On 20 Jun. 2017 08:53, "Bec C" <bec.usern...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bec.usern...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> You can be an idiot on any diet. I wouldn't believe everything you read >> either. I've seen studies that totally contradict each other. >> >> Just for the record I'm not actually vegan. I tried it a few years ago. >> >> As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories. Being healthy is a >> whole different thing. >> >> Anyway too off topic now >> >> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','piers.willi...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >>> OOTT: At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm going to call shenanigans >>> on this one (sorry Bec). Whilst most vegans probably have very healthy >>> diets (due to increased awareness of what they eat) there's nothing >>> inherent in veganism that actually ensures this, as a quick scan down the >>> vegan society pages confirms: https://www.vegansociety.com/r >>> esources/lifestyle/food-and-drink. Plenty of sugary treats in that list >>> described as vegan, even beans on toast is packed with the stuff. >>> >>> It's *not* about the calories. https://www.theguard >>> ian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lust >>> ig-john-yudkin >>> >>> OOTT= off off-topic topic >>> >>> On 20 Jun. 2017 06:29, "Bec C" <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yep that podcast is fairly good. Veganism also works for losing weight, >>>> very hard to eat excess calories on a vegan diet. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Totally agree on this point. I've been ketogenic for six months now >>>>> (lost 6kg in the first month, have plateaued now but feel great). Some >>>>> .net >>>>> people may know Carl Franklin's been podcasting at 2ketodudes.com, >>>>> and he's done an awesome job recording his progress. 6 months and he lost >>>>> 80lb and is no longer type 2 diabetic. >>>>> Got so much out of it, I backed his kickstarter project to turn his >>>>> town keto for a weekend. Flying out with my wife in a couple of weeks. >>>>> Will >>>>> be seeing the sights in New York, then up to New London for ketofest. >>>>> Btw, you don't have to be over weight to suffer the damaging effects >>>>> of too much carbs/sugar. The inflammatory damage in your veins can't be >>>>> seen from the outside. >>>>> >>>>> One of the strange side effects I have noticed is that some days I >>>>> forget to eat. Today, I had accidentally turned off my alarm so was >>>>> running >>>>> a bit late. Went to work with no breakfast, had one coffee at work, and >>>>> worked right through lunch as I hadn't taken anything and office is a bit >>>>> of a drive from places to eat. Barely noticed. >>>>> Don't miss sugar. Finding some awesome recipes along the way. Recently >>>>> made deep fried chicken crumbed in pork rinds combined with Parmesan >>>>> cheese. >>>>> So good. Hmm... this might possibly be the first recipe shared on this >>>>> elist. :) >>>>> >>>>> Anyway to keep on topic, had a standup desk and my last project, one >>>>> of those motorised ones. Great for exercise and strengthening but not >>>>> losing weight. What you put in your body has way more effect in that >>>>> regard. You can lose weight with zero exercise, but exercise is important >>>>> for other reasons. I.e. Preventing muscles wasting away. If you don't use >>>>> it, you lose it. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Stephen >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> >>>>> on behalf of Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 8:46:35 PM >>>>> *To:* ozDotNet >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results >>>>> >>>>> There are quite a few people in my office now using sit-to-stand >>>>> desks. I sent a scary article around about a year or so ago about the >>>>> health issues, but I think it's mostly the availability of reasonable >>>>> quality converters (Varidesk etc) that's really changed things. >>>>> >>>>> I'm between offices too much to have one myself (I'd need 3), so I >>>>> just concentrate on having a regular walk around the office instead, and >>>>> having all meetings as stand ups. And - on the insulin front - be sure to >>>>> read up on (and cut down on) the sugar that's crammed into everything >>>>> these >>>>> days. >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Jun. 2017 14:33, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>> >>>>>> No, not the back for me. They say that your body stops regulating >>>>>> insulin properly after 4 hours of sitting, and that's about when I was >>>>>> feeling unwell/lethargic from sitting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you switch to this for a specific reason (lower back problem for >>>>>>> example)? If so did this help at all in a noticeable way? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, 19 June 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It changes for me. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I sit. If I feel >>>>>>>> that I've been sitting for too long, I hit the buttons and stand for a >>>>>>>> while. I'm not regretful for one second that I have the option. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey folks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recall a while ago discussion into sit/stand desks and was >>>>>>>>> interested in how people went with this setup. Did those that tried >>>>>>>>> standing get any good (or bad) results? Are they still doing it or >>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>> back to only sitting? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>
