A a midwife, I find your comments offensive in refering to women & midwives promoting normal birth as NAZIS. Where do you get this rubbish from ? Or are you just trying to justify your particular birth? I am pleased that you did have a positive experience but there are many more mothers who have had a c/s who feel abused by the whole experience, at what should be a joyous time. Evidence based practice as opposed to the myths and hearsay you are spouting, have demonstrated that a tear into the perineum does not cause and is not linked to urinary incontinence. This myth of an episiotomy being better for preventing prolapse has been disproved as a lot of rubbish and you are perpetuating this. What kind of uninformed journalism is that ? Maybe you should, as a responsible journalist is supposed to do, check the facts with those who are experts instead of spreading mistruth and biased rhetoric. Annie Sprague RN RM M&CH Independent Midwife 34 Shiers St. Alphington 3078 Melbourne Aust. Ph. (03) 94973625 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.