Dear Jo -
Your posting struck a few chords with me - I am passionate about women living their births, making decisions and feeling good about those decisions. They are the ones who take that birth with them for the rest of their lives - we don't. At times we might recall a woman whose labour and birth give us cause to remember her, and most of the time it takes a similar incident to bring that memory to our consciousness. For the women who live it, it stays with them forever, as do the comments of those who cared for her, their demeanour, their touch - even their perfume - everything.
 
I remember a woman having her third baby at the hospital I was working at at the time. She said to me - "I remember you - your eyes and your voice - I have looked into your eyes and listened to your words during the births of my other two children - I will always remember you.
 
I remember asking to keep the remains of a baby who had died within me and did not want to leave me (or maybe I didn't let her). I remember asking the nurse who was on specifically not to send the baby to pathology - that I wanted to take the baby home. She responded with a look of total disbelief and said "Oh don't be ridiculous! Ther's only scrapings left!" I have never forgotten that, and although that happened only a few years ago, for many years before that, I would hear some comments made to women and ache for them.
 
Has anyone seen the movie "Malpractice"? It is an Australian production which came out in 1991 I think - or thereabouts. I heard the actress (portraying a midwife) and cringed - it could have been anyone of us speaking to (at) a woman who was labouring. That movie had a profoud effect on me and changed my practice forever, and this midwife was caring and concerned, doing her absolute best for this woman, who was having a difficult time.
 
Put all of this together and what I am trying to say I gues is that I agree 100% with what Jo is saying. We need to speak to women - find out what they feel about their care, record it and use this information to shape our care of women now and in the future.
 
I run antenatal, VBAC and refresher classes, and it's not only women who have had children who are affected by "throw away" comments. Women who have NEVER had children are affected by comments too - so affected that they consider having their baby by caesarean - I could go on and on.......those of you who know me will be sighing by now!!
 
Suffice it to say, we need to be mindful of our words and our actions.
 
Thanks for reading, Lynne
 
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:43 PM
Subject: have I offended?

Have I offended anyone on the list regarding the posting from the other day (vbac pain-long)?  It was not my intent...I just wanted to know if anyone had any comments about the things within the text?  I have been asked to write about this topic for a medical journal and I am going to be setting myself up for critiquing from professionals...I would like to be critiqued by those that I respect first!!  Obviously what I posted the other day is only an outline but it the general 'gist' of what I will be writing about. 
Jo Bainbridge
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