Hi Denise I hope you haven't already withdrawn from Ozmid. We're all entitled to a rave sometimes and I enjoy your input and your 'slip-up' has just led to me looking at birthnews for the first time, going to S Kitzinger's homepage and on and on through links. Very interesting browse after a few days camping with no internet access. So thanks. And stay on.
Margie > From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:14:25 +0800 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Fw: [birthnews] Intro > > > > >> Dear Michelle >> I remember years ago assisting with several circumcisions a day also > having >> my tonsils out when I started getting bouts of tonsilitis as did many >> children. >> But these things do not happen today because the opponeents to the wide >> spread performance of these procedures started the debate and raised the >> issue of how much it was costing us as a community and the names of the >> children who died as a result of questionable/unnecessary tonsilectomies >> (Matthew Davey in Manly??). >> I see the current state of normal healthy women going to a specialist > doctor >> for a normal healthy life event and having questionable, unnecessary and >> dangerous for some (I have seen a woman in intensive care with a subdural >> heamatoma and many with headaches form dural taps via an epiduarl for > naomal >> labour) in the same light or rather lack of light, education as you put > it! >> >> Look at our bottle feeding and breast feeding rates and the full history > of >> their cycles!! >> >> These practices (circumcision, tonsilectomy, bottle feeding epiduarls and >> doctors for normal birth) are influenced more by misinformation, myth and >> fashions of our cultures. >> Eighty years ago the wealthy women went to doctors and got twilight sleep >> whilst the poorer stayed home and had midwives. Th larger numbers of the >> latter who died in child birth were attributed to the poor care of > midwives >> rather than their poor housing, diets, and health so we built more > hospitals >> and educated more doctors and brought the midwives in under both. >> Thus we have many midwives who like many doctors do not know how to help a >> woman deal with the pain and time in labour with out getting rid of the > pain >> and not appreciate the risks we run in doing so, who do not recognise the >> psycho social aspects and influences on labour including Fear!! >> But for me the real fear is the risks they and we run in not understanding >> the full potential of all we do and say around childbearing couples, what > we >> accept as informed choice, informed by who and what??. >> Denise >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michelle McKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:50 AM >> Subject: RE: [birthnews] Intro >> >> >>> Hi, as this is my first reply I will intoduce myself. My name is > Michelle >>> McKenzie and I also work in a Private hospital.I have worked in this >>> hospital for 10 years. I co-ordinate the prenatal education in our >> hospital. >>> I have two children both of whom I gave birth to at the Sydney Adventist >>> Hospital under a private obstetrician. With both of my children, I >> laboured >>> and delivered the way I wanted to and with both I had a normal delivery >> with >>> no drugs. I agree with kath in that I believe the clients who choose our >>> hospital and their own private obstetrician have made their own choice > on >>> the type of childbirth they prefer. We do not push them into having an >>> epidural rather they come to us demanding one the minute they arrive in >>> delivery suite. The clients we see are very well educated and informed > on >>> the choices available to them. I do not believe I am a 'glorified nurse' >>> because I have chosen to work in a private hospital. I love my work as a >>> midwife and respect the choice the client has made to see a private >>> obstetrician and come to a private hospital, but am alittle saddened at >> the >>> lack of support from other colleuges who work in the public system or as >>> independent practitioners. >>> >>> Michelle McKenzie >>> Midwife, Nurse and Prenatal Educator, >>> Maternity Unit, Sydney Adventist Hospital >>> 9487 9455 or 9487 9111 (page 042) >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mike Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2002 6:27 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: RE: [birthnews] Intro >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> What a can of worms!!! I work in a private hospital & have felt all the >>> emotions Julie describes sickened, shocked distressed disappointed >>> disillusioned and downright depressed. The challenge is to enable as > many >>> women as pos to experience a drug free natural labour and that is some >>> challenge considering the forces working in the opposite direction! The >>> majority of women who attend the CBE classes have access to all the info >> and >>> options and are choosing their birthing place so I think their choices >>> should be respected and "to facilitate what is happening rather than > what >>> you think should be happening"(Tao Te Ching) >>> Cheers >>> >>> Kath >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joanne Westley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 07:53 >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: RE: [birthnews] Intro >>> >>> >>> Isn't this the big question? >>> As an informed non-health professional who has birthed four children > over >> 10 >>> years, can I suggest that there is a far greater number of birthing > women >>> who want better - "normal" - births than there are midwives and medical >>> professionals willing and able to support them. >>> As you say, plenty say they will, but don't. >>> While some midwives continue to treat themselves as glorified nurses, >>> abdicating to 'the system' at every given opportunity, we will continue > to >>> see everyday women feeling that a normal birth is one which includes >>> induction, medication, hospital, stitches and, dare I say it, even a >> caesar. >>> My offering is that: >>> *We need to empower midwives, not just consumers. They need to value > their >>> position more and see more spontaneous, natural births and appreciate > them >>> and the *ongoing* empowerment they offer to women. I'd like to see > funding >>> given to midwives to attend natural birth workshops, for example, >> especially >>> in country and outer suburban hospitals. >>> *We need to inform and educate men as partners to support women in > making >>> choices in birth care. Men too often feel that the medical fraternity is >> the >>> best care for their partner and will abdicate full responsibility and >>> decision making trust to an ob rather than their spouse. >>> We need direct entry midwifery. >>> We need an alternative childbirth education diploma. >>> I'm obviously opinionated and I'll stop now :) >>> Have a cool and groovy day! >>> >>>> From: "Sue Bowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: RE: [birthnews] Intro >>>> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:20:55 -0000 >>>> >>>> I agree with this.... but it is all very well to sit and proficate, but >>>> how do we as health professionals initiate change... and empower women >>>> to make informed decisions, with consent.. normalise birth in > Australia, >>>> in a wider context, and not for a select few... >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:34 AM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: Re: [birthnews] Intro >>>> >>>> Dear Julie >>>> I agree I won't work in the labour units of many private ands some >>>> public >>>> hopistals when I do agency work because I recognise that many only pay >>>> lip >>>> service to informed choice, evidence based practice etc. >>>> Their outcomes reflect their beliefs and practices!! >>>> >>>> Women and midwives who have repeated natural outcomes are not freaks >>>> their >>>> outcomes show they know how to work toward these outcomes and do so!! >>>> >>>> Our community and women need to be made aware how vulnerable labouring >>>> are >>>> and this is not the time for any one to try negotiate care options or > to >>>> debate the risks benefits of birth practices!! The fear and attitudes >>>> that >>>> they have around them in labour are powerful influences and the > beliefs, >>>> attitudes knowledge and expereinces of those around them need to be >>>> congruent with the woman's desire for a natural birth! >>>> >>>> It is like buying a car if you wnat a BMW you do not go to Holden > Dealer >>>> all >>>> car salesmen are not the same nor are maternity carers if you want a >>>> natural >>>> birth then you go to those who most consistently deliver natural birth >>>> outcomes >>>> Australain hospitals particularly in the priavate sector mostly deliver >>>> women and babies following many interventions who have been told it was >>>> their fault they need rescuing and so they continue through their >>>> parenting!!! >>>> >>>> It is sad and scary as our government and media promotes private >>>> hospital >>>> care but we who know better need to increase our networks and make > known >>>> and >>>> accessible other routes rather than un questionably support uninformed >>>> choices!! >>>> >>>> Forgive my ranting I am waiting for some babies to come forth so their >>>> mother calls me that is why I sit on my computer with my mobile turned >>>> on >>>> next to me >>>> Denise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "pregnancy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [birthnews] Intro >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Karen and all, >>>>> My decision not to attend births as a support person/doula in > private >>>>> hospitals is based on my previous experiences trying diplomatically > to >>>>> be an advocate but completely wasting time and effort and walking > away >>>>> from the experience sickened, shocked and distressed. >>>>> Yes, I have felt similar feelings after many public hospital births, >>>>> but to a much lesser extent. >>>>> I just don't go there anymore... perhaps one day I'll change my mind >>>> ;-) >>>>> hug >>>>> Julie >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Karen Shlegeris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:51 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: [birthnews] Intro >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Julie, >>>>>> Nice to hear from you via the list. I was interested to read your >>>>>> commentthat you don't support births at private hospitals - could >>>>>> you expand on >>>>>> that a bit please? >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> Karen Shlegeris >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This BirthNews list is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore and the Birth >>>>>> Issues Journal. >>>>>> http://www.capersbookstore.com.au >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This BirthNews list is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore and the Birth >>>> Issues >>>> Journal. >>>>> http://www.capersbookstore.com.au >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This BirthNews list is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore and the Birth >>>> Issues Journal. >>>> http://www.capersbookstore.com.au >>>> >>>> >>>> This BirthNews list is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore and the Birth > Issues >>>> Journal. >>>> http://www.capersbookstore.com.au >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >>> >>> >>> This BirthNews list is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore and the Birth > Issues >>> Journal. >>> http://www.capersbookstore.com.au >>> >>> >>> This BirthNews list is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore and the Birth > Issues >>> Journal. >>> http://www.capersbookstore.com.au >>> >>> >>> CAUTION: This message may contain both confidential and privileged >>> information intended only for the addressee named above. 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