Just catching up on the emails, I fully agree with Mary, Carolyn and Lois and all your cases are so typical of what happens out there in the real world. It would be nice not to have these added pressures, one can hope that with time and as more women opt for midwife led care that the tables will turn. I know that we gain our strength from the women and families that we care for along with the positive feedback we get by supporting them, this what makes it all worthwhile. yours in midwifery pete malavisi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.