Congratulations to you & your family Justine. I hope all went well. Best wishes, Tina H.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth > Here Here Andrea > > I love that strategy and use it as a consumer. "I would be most interested > to see the evidence that backs your claim" > > Geesje I hope you will be part of the MC National Day of Action (Saturday > May 8). The NSW day is to be held at Camden/Campbelltown to give Mr Latham > a very clear message that the federal government need to be more active in > the promotion of best practice maternity care as the states are doing a > pretty lousy job, and particularly that Latham needs to walk his talk re > community and personal responsibility and family and all the rest!!! > > Justine > > PS: New babe (Feb 28 9.15 am, another boy, Tobias Michael, 3.6kg and so far > a gentle soul) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth > > > > Hello Geesje, > > > > When doctors start quoting the research like this, they are often talking > > "through their hat". > > Since he is apparently up to date with the research, why not ask him to > > produce the evidence he is using as the basis for his practice? It > > shouldn't be up to you to find something to refute his claims, but his > > responsibility to provide the research he is using. > > > > Doctors will get away with making these kinds of wild claims unless we > > start questioning them. I was contacted recently by an obstetrician who > > wanted to challenge something I have written in "Preparing for Birth: > > Mothers". He claimed that there was research that showed one of my > > statements was wrong and he said I should change what I have written "so > > that I am not scaring the women". I wrote a friendly reply, asking that he > > give me the reference he was quoting, so I could be sure to have my > > information correct. I pointed out that I would gladly make changes but > > would only do so if I had reliable research evidence. Until then, my book > > would remain unchanged. I am still waiting to hear back from him....! My > > suspicion is that he didn't think I would call his bluff, but take "his > > word" for it. > > > > How about trying this tack with this obstetrician. You could quite easily > > say that you want to make sure your practice is evidence based, and would > > welcome an update on this research that you must have missed..... it would > > be interesting to see how he handles this! Challenging him in this way > > might also help you to feel a bit better about this awful outcome and > > perhaps make him think twice before trying it again. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Andrea > > > > > > At 11:53 PM 5/03/2004, Geesje and Steve wrote: > > >Hi, > > >Why do obstetrcians not see this? > > >I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm sorry if I don't make much sense but > > >I'm very upset and full of emotions after witnessing a horrific twins > > >birth last night. It was the worst birth I've ever seen in the 20 years > > >that I have been in midwifery. My grandfather's vet did a gentler job > with > > >the cows! And to make it worse the obstetrician thought he had done a > > >brilliant job! He got both twins out within 8 minutes. On questioning > > >prior to the birth, on how long he would wait for the second twin to > > >engage he said that he aims to get the second twin out 5-10 minutes after > > >the first because this is what all the research advises. "If you wait > > >you're only waiting for trouble" . Silly me thought he was going to wait > > >at least one contraction to see what happened. How wrong I was.. . > > >Now if anyone keeps up with research, it's me! But I have not read that > it > > >is advisable to act, instead of wait to see if the second twin engages, > > >especially if they are both cephalic - like these twins were. > > >Can anyone tell me where I can find the research that states that an > > >epidural in a twin labour is best practice and the research that states > > >that the second twin should be born (with of without force) as soon as > > >possible after the first. As well as any resaerch that disputes this. > > >Being Dutch and having worked as a homebirth midwife in Holland I have > > >always had reservations on supporting high risk births at home but after > > >seeing what happened last night I can fully understand why some women > seek > > >homebirths for high risk births. > > >Geesje > > > > > > > > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Mary Murphy > > >To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>list > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:51 PM > > >Subject: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week > > > > > > From Midwifery Today: "H. Deutsch, a psychologist active in the 1940s, > > > knew that at the time of birth, it is not just a vagina that is opening, > > > the woman's entire psyche is open and vulnerable." > > > > > > ----- > > Andrea Robertson > > Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education > > > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > web: www.birthinternational.com > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
