Thanks to the midwives/ students who have replied. I don't think I am
asking a question that is disrespectful to women or midwives. I have 2
of my own children and have welcomed the involvement of midiwifery
students in my births. I personally don't see VE's as a 'bad or 
interventialist' but understand your perspectives. I do understand
listening to women in labour without a physical examination - I have
had 2 homebirths! I had a midwife and a student  both times without
frequent Ve's. However I personally didn't need that many and didn't
see a problem with them in fact I found it comforting to be aware of
how far I had come. I do see how they are not appropriate for some
women particularly those who have been sexually abused.

I also feel that I must learn this skill  as is required as a student
and nobody that I have asked seems to be able to answer the question
between the difference of length and thickness of the cervix. I mean
no disrespect to women in trying to understand this but I must because
there will be situations that I will be needed to differentiate
between the two. Currently I treat them as the same because I don't
understand the difference.
Thanks Stacey
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