Good Grief !
Who in the real world does this anyway with a normal labour?
What woman in her right mind would LET a midwife do this without a very good reason?
Sounds like "text book" mid doesn't it?
Where's the common sense here?
I agree with Sally, leave the poor woman & baby alone to do their job !
Dear Lord !!!!

Brenda

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Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] intermittent auscultation


Sally I agree with what both you and Gloria are saying, with a low risk
women term and all progressing well in labour where is the evidence to
support any auscultation, I also believe that it can he horribly
invasive and could easily be construed as intervention.  Surely as
professionals we can use our skills to make the call on whether
auscultation is needed or not.  I also believe that there can be a lot
of angst built up over listening too often in what in most situations is
the normal physiology of 2nd stage.

yours in midwifery pete malavisi

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:24:32 +0800, "Sally Westbury"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

OK. What the Nice Guideline have based the bulk of their guideline on
are the following three studies. All of these studies have randomized
high and low risk pregnancies.


I would like to propose that the auscultation intervals set are
reflective of a lack of risk screening.


I would like to us think about is whether it is appropriate to try to
translate these auscultation interval to a low risk client group??


What do other people thinks??





Efficacy and safety of intrapartum electronic fetal monitoring: an
update

SB Thacker, DF Stroup, and HB Peterson

STUDY SELECTION: Our search identified 12 published RCTs addressing the
efficacy and safety of EFM; no unpublished studies were found. The
studies included 58,855 pregnant women and their 59,324 infants in both
high- and low-risk pregnancies from ten clinical centers in the United
States, Europe, Australia, and Africa. DATA


Vintzileos, A. M. et al. 1993. "A randomized trial of intrapartum
electronic fetal heart rate monitoring versus intermittent
auscultation." Obstetrics & Gynecology 81:899-907.

METHODS: The study was conducted simultaneously at two university
hospitals in Athens, Greece (Alexandra and Marika Iliadi Hospitals) from
October 1, 1990 to June 30, 1991. All patients with singleton living
fetuses and gestational ages of 26 weeks or greater were eligible for
inclusion. The participants were assigned to continuous EFM or
intermittent auscultation based on the flip of a coin.






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