Dear All
I recently made a wrong delete and lost all my
midwife emails including that of Jan R and Sally T
Can some one please help me re-enter their email
addresses??
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone,
our bodies will be handled."
Linda Hes
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] perinatal stats
Dear all Jan has summed it up in a
nutshell - both the discrepancies and the reasons why many home births go
unreported...... we did a 'run' with the national data a couple of
months ago - and we were suprised to find an even geater difference than
this one you report Jan. The most difficult thing is to reconcile the BD&M
data with the perinatal data - because there is such a long lead time
between when the baby is born and when parents have to register the birth (ie
five years) Sally T.
Jan Robinson wrote:
Hi Andrea Yes it is a huge discrepancy but the law only
relates to births attended by registered doctors or midwives. Registered
health professionals have an obligation to report the details of each birth
they attend whether they occur at home or in a hospital. They have to provide
the NOTIFICATION OF BIRTH to BD&M and submit the perinatal data to the
appropriate department of their Dept of Health. It is the parents
responsibility to register the birth of their child.
I assume that
MOST of the unreported home births are that way because lay people would be
unaware of their state laws. Individuals who are aware of the laws also
understand that if they DO report any births that they attend also run the
risk of "holding themselves out to be a midwife" and that is PUNISHABLE by
law.
It would be interesting for midwives to approach their own
state/territory Dept of BD&M as to the number of babies registered as
being born at their home address and then get the figures from the perinatal
data collections to compare. Anyone want to get cracking in their state?
I'd love to get data from around the country. I have some Tasmanian figures
and I have some from Victoria but they are not as easy to interpret as the NSW
data.
At the moment we are using the NSW figures to try and convince
the Health Minister to publicly fund the home births and therefore provide a
legitimate choice of skilled home birth practitioner for ALL women wanting a
home birth.
Cheers Jan
Jan Robinson Independent Midwife
Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent
Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546
4350 e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 15 Sep, 2005, at 08:23, Andrea Quanchi wrote:
Jan that is a huge discrepancy, How many of these ones not
reported to Data Collection are attended by registered midwives do you
think? Surely the data collection could approach these people not reporting,
through the births deaths and marriages, through the families that they are
attending to cover the privacy issues, informing them of their duty to
report and where they can access the data collection material. You wont get
all of them but you might get some more. Are they scared of being identified
if they are not registered? Maybe it needs to be free from this issue if you
want the data
Andrea On 15/09/2005, at 7:58 AM, Jan Robinson
wrote:
Hi Andrea, Denise et al
I have just been in touch with
our Dept of Births Deaths and Marriages again for an update on babies
registered as being born at home. The numbers change each year as there
are some people who don't register their child until they need to go to
school so I get updates for each year. So far what we have in NSW is
actual number of home births registered number of PLANNED HOME BIRTHS
reported to perinatal data collection (NSW Midwives Data Collection)
1999 493 139 2000 394 108 2001 388 144 2002 322 99
2003 383 109 2004 359 don't have the 2004 figures from NSWMD
collection yet - hope to have them soon - the BD&M are much more
organised with data collection but I guess that is because they have
motivated providers of their data (the parents). Even though there has
been a law since the 1990s that states all doctors and midwives who attend
home births must submit their data - the NSWMD knows a lot of health
professionals fail to report. There is no law that states unattended home
births have to be reported to the NSWMDC. 2005 to date 197
You
can see there is quiet a difference in the records
I'd love some
budding Master's student to get busy on this one as I won't have time for
it until I retire and that won't be until we get the home births publicly
funded across the country. I feel sure that if primary care midwives
had the medicare provider number a lot of those unattended women would
have a registered midwife with them for the birth.
Cheers Jan
Jan
Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator
Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South
Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 14 Sep, 2005, at 22:35, Andrea Quanchi wrote:
it doesnt say but they would be able to tell you. They are
quite forethcoming with info or you may be able to get it from their
website as a lot of the past documents are on there. I havent got time
tonight to look
Andrea Q On 14/09/2005, at 6:35 PM, Denise
Hynd wrote:
Dear Andrea Have these BBA births in Vic increased
since the loss of MIPP insurance and some midwives withdrawing from
practice??
Jan Robinson said there was an increased in these
births there possibly some more un assisted hombirths in NSW over this
period!!
She found this by comparing the midwife and birth
notification figures because the latter would include women who
birthed at home and did not go to hospital
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in
action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how
and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled."
-
Linda Hes
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Quanchi"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] perinatal stats
Unplanned out of hospital births (BBA) were 254
Andrea On 14/09/2005, at 5:29 PM, Tania Smallwood wrote:
Just out of interest Andrea, what is the number of
bba's in comparison? Someone recently pointed out to me that
if the women here in SA who had a quick labour and then didn't
make it to the hospital, had had access to a midwife who could
have come to their home, the number of 'homebirths' would have
been nearly doubled. Funny how those women are seen as 'lucky' and
yet the one's planning a birth at home attended by a midwife
are 'stupid'!
Cheers
Tania x
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Wednesday, 14 September 2005
4:41 PM To: Maternity Coalition; ozmidwifery Subject:
[ozmidwifery] perinatal stats
I received my 2004
homebirths profile from VPDCU in the mail today and was happy
to see that the number of planned homebirths for 2004 was 181
up from 154 the year before and from 132 in 1999 so keep up the
good work everyone
Andrea Quanchi
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