Great thinking. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 5:11 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so
Rachel, I wouldn't call that unprofessional, just lateral thinking !! Adapting to the situation at hand, well done yourself. Kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "wump fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I don't think so > It is very frustrating when a woman is labouring really well and her birth > partners are counter-acting her state of mind. Some get quite annoyed that > you are not responding to her noises by giving her drugs to make her quiet > and easier to watch. I have actually given a dad the entonox once during a > waterbirth. The woman was coping fantastically and vocally during her > contractions, relaxed in between. Every contraction he would freak out and > ask me to help her, then hang his head in his hands. He was soooo stressed > out and I couldn't talk him down. In the end I handed him the entonox and > told him it would do him more good than her. It worked! He chilled out and > we all had a good laugh about it. Probably highly unprofessional! > Rachel > > >>From: "Ken WArd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au >>To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au> >>Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I >>don't think so >>Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:04:10 +1000 >> >>I have given women drugs in labour at their partners demand. Also >>epidurals >>and c/s organised because the partner wasn't coping. It is devesting when >>a >>woman is labouring well, and her partner, or sometimes her mother, isn't >>coping and undermines the woman's confidence in her body. I have often >>felt >>like giving him the drugs. One feels hopeless and helpless when adverse >>comments and stressed support people influence the woman. And lets face >>it, >>in the hospital setting who has the strongest and personal relationship, >>and >>therefore more likely to influence ? >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gloria Lemay >> Sent: Friday, 14 October 2005 5:59 AM >> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@uniserve.com;;;;;;; >> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Scottish dads push wives toward C-sections? I >> don't >>think so >> >> >> This is a group that no one has thought to blame the high cesarean rate >>on. Hmmmmmm. Gloria >> >> >> >> Scotland on Sunday - October 2, 2005 >> >> Squeamish men pushing wives towards Caesareans >> >> RICHARD GRAY >> HEALTH CORRESPONDENT >> >> >> FRETTING fathers-to-be are fuelling Scotland's soaring Caesarean >> section >> rate because they do not like to see their pregnant partners in pain, >> midwives have warned. >> They claim many worried husbands are afraid of the mess and noise that >> accompanies natural childbirth. >> Instead they are encouraging their wives to give birth at large >> consultant-led hospital units where they can get powerful painkillers >> and >> surgery. >> But midwives claim these over-protective men are unwittingly causing >> their >> partners to have unnecessary Caesarean sections and drugs by taking >> them >>to >> these "baby factories". >> They say more women would have natural births if they used smaller >> midwife-run maternity units. >> The proportion of women choosing to have Caesareans has leapt from 6.2% >> to >> 9% in the last 10 years with more than 4,600 women choosing to have the >> major surgical procedure in 2004. >> Experts claim the increase in popularity is mainly due to the >>misconception >> that Caesareans are a safer and pain-free option to traditional >>childbirth. >> But the abdominal surgery can leave mothers in pain for weeks >> afterwards >>and >> they are prone to getting infections in their wound. >> The controversy surrounding Caesareans has led to tensions between >>midwives >> and doctors over the best way of providing services to pregnant women. >> Earlier this year the Royal College of Midwives launched a campaign to >> promote "normality" in childbirth. >> Phyllis Winters, a midwifery team leader at Montrose Community >> Maternity >> Unit, believes the celebrity trend of opting for Caesareans has helped >> create the myth that surgery is the easier option. >> But she believes squeamish husbands have also played a part in the >> decline >> of natural childbirth. >> She will present her claims at a conference organised by the National >> Childbirth Trust (NCT) and the Royal College of Midwives in >> Dunfermline, >> Fife, on Thursday. >> Winters said: "A lot of couples take decisions about childbirth >> together >>and >> men in particular feel wary about childbirth. >> "They are frightened about seeing their partner in pain and about what >> can >> go wrong. As a result they often prefer to go to the consultant led >> unit >> where they perceive there is a higher level of care. >> "Unfortunately there is also a higher level of intervention when it is >> not >> needed. In Montrose less than 8% of the births we deal with at the >> midwife-led unit get transported to the specialist unit due to >>complications >> >> "Women need more positive role models to have natural births and >> perhaps >> then we will see a change in the way society views what is a natural >> life >> event. >> "Men also have to understand that by going to a midwife-led service >> they >>are >> not taking a risk." >> Currently just 63% of all babies born in Scotland are delivered >> naturally, >> but midwives claim the vast majority of births using Caesarean sections >>and >> induction should be allowed to happen naturally. >> Patricia Purton, director of the Royal College of Midwives Scotland, >>agreed >> that fathers-to-be played a significant role in helping women choose >> their >> method of birth. >> She added: "I would go further, as a lot of women's mothers have only >> ever >> experienced consultant led services and so that has become the norm as >> far >> as they are concerned. >> "The problem is that often in large hospitals, childbirth is made to >> fit >> around the service rather than letting nature take its course and >> fitting >> the service around the labour." >> A survey of 800 new fathers carried out four years ago by parental >> support >> group Fathers Direct and the NCT revealed many of the anxieties faced >> by >>new >> fathers when their partners give birth. >> It found nearly a third of men felt powerless during the childbirth >>process >> while most said it was difficult to see their partners in pain and >> being >> unable to help. A third also said that they felt ill-informed about the >> choices couples faced during pregnancy. >> It said that many men wanted a more active role in the delivery process >> Shona Gore, an antenatal tutor with the NCT, said: "Men are often >> pushed >> into the role of the protector during a pregnancy and it is only >> natural >> that they want the best for their partners. >> "At the start of my courses almost all of the men want to go down the >> consultant led route as it appears to be the safer option, but one of >> the >> aims of our classes is to give couples time to reflect on the decisions >>they >> face. >> "There is a culture in this country that hospital is the safest place >> to >>be, >> but this attitude is now slowly changing, particularly with fears about >>MRSA >> " >> But Jack O'Sullivan, from Fathers' Direct, said it was unfair to blame >>high >> Caesarean rates on men. >> He said: "Fathers play a vital role in the decision-making process of >> childbirth and they are naturally concerned about their partners' >>wellbeing. >> >> "But often they are relying too much on their fears rather than good >> information. There needs to be better advice for expectant first-time >> fathers and they need to be more involved in the maternity process." >> The disagreement between doctors and midwives over the best method of >> childbirth has led to confusion for many mothers who now face a >> difficult >> choice. >> Many doctors feel midwife- only births present an unnecessary risk due >> to >> the lack of medical provision at hand. >> But the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists has also >>expressed >> concern about the country's high Caesarean rate. >> Doctors claim attending a consultant led unit did not mean that women >>would >> have more intervention during birth. >> One obstetrician from Glasgow said: "Medical staff from doctors to >>midwives >> try to discourage women from having inductions and Caesareans where >> ever >> possible. >> "There are a lot of women who ask for Caesareans as they are scared of >> labour and feel surgery is a quicker way to go but the risks involved >> are >> higher than in natural birth. >> "We try to help them make an informed choice." >> Labour pains >> THERE has been growing alarm over the number of Caesarean births among >> the >> 600,000 babies born in Britain each year. The figure has risen fourfold >> in >> 25 years to become one of the highest in the western world. >> The reasons for the rise include the increasing age of mothers, with >> the >> average age of those having their first child around 30. >> Caesarean section as a lifestyle choice - dubbed "too-posh-to-push" - >> has >> also become a factor. And the decision of former Spice Girls Victoria >> Beckham and Mel B to opt for the operation have also been linked to the >> trend. >> Last year doctors in England and Wales were told to curb Caesareans on >> demand. Guidelines issued by the National Institute for Clinical >>Excellence >> (NICE) said GPs should emphasise the potential dangers. >> A recent study by Aberdeen University's medical school warned women who >>had >> Caesarean sections were 6% less likely to get pregnant again. >> The study also showed that women who have a Caesarean wait up to six >>months >> longer to conceive their next child than those who have natural births. >> Other research has shown women who have the procedure are four times >> more >> likely to get an infection, 10 times more at risk of bladder injuries >> and >> five times more likely to need surgery later on. > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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