Hi Apostolis, I feel that , although it is still in development / in prototype stage, you could use Netention to set up and invite others to participate in such information architecture.
https://github.com/automenta/netentionjs2 It would also become possible to see overlaps between different implemented ( or suggested ) information architectures. ( including the current mainstream and monopolistic corporate credit information architecture ) http://www.netention.org/ a prototype android interface is also in development. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis < xekou...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <xekou...@gmail.com> > Date: 2013/8/24 > Subject: [Ripple] Re: Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis > To: rippleus...@googlegroups.com > > > Hailie Bosque, > > This money is quite different than any other you have seen, it isn't the > non-transferrable money that Marx was talking about. > The problem it tries to solve is to block the accumulation of money to a > few people. For that, it is important to understand 2 processes. > > a)the cycle of accumulation: Even today that we have a centralization of > power, in order for money to create more money, one needs to spread an > amount of money to multiple people, the workers who will work for the > capitalist so that he eventually gets more money. Thus this cycle of money > starts from a centralized point to a distributed number of workers and > eventually back to the centralized point. > > b) There are 2 types of work in most production processes, the one is the > initial work for the construction of a factory or other tools. This is > called fixed capital. The other is the work of the people that operate the > tools and the factory. The second workers cannot pay in advance the first > workers. Thus they rely on the capitalist to give the money and in return > they sell their working power lower than the price they would ask otherwise. > > > Now I' ll give you an example. > Let's say that we are able to track the transfers of property, either > products or money. > Lets also assume for this example that we only have worker cooperatives > that own the tools they are using in direct contrast to current capitalism. > > Capitalist -->Factory Workers -->Workers--->Consumers---\ > ^ > | > \----------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------------/ > > Cap gives money to factory workers, and they give him a factory. > Cap gives the factory to the workers, and they accept to give him back a > percentage of their earnings. > > Here lies a problem: > > The money that the capitalist payed the factory workers is different than > the money he got from the Workers. This is due to b). > My proposal is that the workers in general,(here the factory workers) > should be able to reclaim back their products and the money one gets from > them in a future time. > > This is how it can be done. > At any time, the workers(here the factory workers) make a cheaper offer of > their products to the consumers (here the workers). > At the same time, they are obliged to build a new factory for the > capitalist. > Thus, they switch back their old work with new work. > > If we allow that, there can be no profits for the capitalist, or the > profits will be decentralizedly split between the factory workers. > Thus because of a) we have a distributed ownership of products/money. > > > Till now I have used the term money quite vaguely. What I really mean is > that each worker/worker cooperative creates his own currencies which > correspond to the products they make. > > ex. > I make clothes, thus I have a t-shirt currency. > I own 5 bread currencies, 30 chair c. and 5 motorbike c. > > I give 5 motorbile c in exchange for 1 car c. > Unless I explicitelly state that the car c. is for personal use and thus > non-transferable, > the motorbike workers could reclaim their 5 motorbike c. and thus the 1 > car c. i got. > They could offer to give my 5 bike c. plus one in exchange of the car c. > I would receive 5 new motorbike currencies. > > > This is the basic idea. I am always happy when people point me to errors. > This is as of yet unfinished work. > (keep in mind that workers should always own the tools they are using, > this is a prerequisitive, it can be done easilly, i think) > > For this to be done it mostly requires computer programming. Because of > the advances in computer programming this is quite feasible, (think of > facebook, google) and open source big data tools. > > (it may take me some time to respond) > > On Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:53:03 AM UTC+3, Hailie Bosque wrote: >> >> >> Hi, I'm trying to get in touch with Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis. >> >> You posted something on an internet forum about your ideas for an >> anarchist-socialist economy with non-circulating currency. >> >> I'd like to hear more about this, but you no longer use that internet >> forum, so I found you here. >> >> I hope nobody thinks this is off topic, because this type of economic >> system does relate to the focus of this group. Maybe Apostolis will share >> his ideas with all of us. >> >> I hope you can be reached this way, if so send a reply and I'll give you >> my email address. >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Ripple Project" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rippleusers/-JUM0az158w/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rippleusers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > > > Sincerely yours, > > Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis > > > _______________________________________________ > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > >
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