Thanks Eric Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are doing around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out.
further note : an interesting reply by June on this thread, also available on the public p2pf list archive http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/ - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01085.html> Dante-Gabryell Monson - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01087.html> June Gorman - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !<http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01088.html> Dante-Gabryell Monson On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun <e...@harris-braun.com>wrote: > Hi All, > > It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency Project has > led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our point of view, > Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are designing to build > our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels of the > stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent embodied > in RDF/URI. > > For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out in > the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop me a > line. > > -Eric > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < > dante.mon...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, * >> *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation blog,* >> *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , * >> *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - and/or >> similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our realities >> collectively -* >> >> >> *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our >> efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can help in >> making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it with nice >> imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to do - yet >> talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not only about >> one specific application or project, but about the potential to work >> together on various applications based on common protocols. * >> >> *Some call it a "Global Brain" , or a "Web Operating System" , ... * >> >> *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am open >> to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an easier to >> understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.* >> >> >> >> Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene, >> >> for your replies. >> >> I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after an >> email exchange with Michel. >> >> Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest >> regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related forums. >> >> So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could be the >> reason, >> and how could it be better communicated. >> >> Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in using >> such technologies in their research and development of applications, >> showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such >> technologies, >> and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these >> applications to enable yet new applications. >> >> For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value Network >> tools... >> >> Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety of >> applications, >> hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching approaches, >> and inviting others into such research and development, which hopefully can >> be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of learning >> building on available information on our wiki's , etc >> >> Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already >> including ) such approaches ... >> >> Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using >> Linked Data concepts ) many years ago. I now notice Pavlik is regaining >> interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in support of >> Sharing Economy applications ? >> >> /// >> >> But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the development >> of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks about , >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first >> Holoptism ) >> >> In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and >> others via lists such as "Global Survival >> List"<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival> >> , >> >> such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of " Noosphere " >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere >> >> Or should I be already speaking of Web 4.0 , since I can notice a >> convergence with artificial intelligence. >> >> See : >> >> http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg >> ( and another graph about internet evolution >> http://www.didael.it/sito/evoluzione_web.htm , also calling some phases >> we have technologies for and for which we need more collaboration in >> research to reduce the threshold for its usage , "the metaweb" >> http://koolaidantidote.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/metaweb_graph.gif ) >> >> Emergent Collective Consciousness, Approaches to Collective Intelligence, >> to Emergent forms of Networked Political Economies, ... >> >> and can be combined with , for example, understanding in the field of >> Artificial Intelligence. ( could be interesting to refer to the Global >> Brain Institute ? http://globalbraininstitute.org/ ) >> >> There are so many implications regarding decision making, collaboration >> and collective intelligence, learning, resource allocation , and even >> finance... >> >> I see a lot of parallels between the potentials of Linked Data approaches, >> and the spirit of the Meta Currency project. >> >> Although there are indeed different potential approaches and technologies, >> and hopefully we can choose inter-operable ones. >> >> There are series of existing Ontologies. RDF Schema being one approach >> which seems to be receiving wider acceptance. >> There is also the use of Json. >> >> Then there is the potential combination between Folksonomies and >> Ontologies, into Folksontologies... And I did not even mention other >> interesting approaches ( slightly different then the W3C approach ? ) , >> such as that of Pierre Levy >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy and IEML >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Information_Economy_Meta_Language >> >> At least in spirit, in my understanding of it. - for each application, >> various combinations of technologies may been considered, >> >> yet I see potential in enabling inter-operable formats, and data that can >> be re-used along compatible data graph approaches... >> >> How can this best be explained with imagery that anyone could understand, >> and beyond any one specific project ? Enable the imagery of a new way >> of creating and using data... re-using such data, enabling us to >> contextualize and choose the ( political and economic ) "games" we play >> based on such contextualization layers ? >> >> Enabling us to interact with others, and across various applications, >> beyond any proprietary approaches, and beyond any social silos... >> >> Yet at the same time, enabling "machines" to understand ... >> >> Opening up whole new dimensions in terms of what seems to be widely >> called "The Internet of >> Things"<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things> / >> Spimes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spime> , including in support of >> the Sharing Economy, or better still in my view, A Contribution Economy >> based on Peer Production in support of the Commons. >> >> That this can be enabled by experimenting further with various existing >> modules and protocols... reducing threshold for their usage, reducing the >> threshold for generating data together, reducing the threshold for >> organizing ourselves using such data ... >> >> There are many more themes this relates to. >> >> For example, Architecture - Urbanism, etc >> ( such as Modular Parametric Design , based on Lego Like components that >> can easily be re-assembled ? ) >> >> There are also many risks - and in my view, a need to think how we can be >> ahead of understanding the technology, to avoid it being used to trap us in >> it - and instead use it to liberate and empower us. >> >> Please feel free to correct me where you see fit, complement views, give >> your own perceptions, etc >> >> There is existing code from various projects for such kind of "Web 4.0" >> browsing - there has been already a lot of research. >> >> In my view, one of the main challenges now, is to get people to work >> together on open sourced code and libre licenses, >> >> for developing inter-operable tools using such open protocols... >> >> Making the various interfaces easier to understand and use... >> >> But first, in my view, we need to see if people grasp these concepts, and >> understand that these potentials are very real and are current - and we can >> participate in their development, and hopefully soon benefit from its >> potentials. >> >> Also, there is funding available - for those of us who are good with >> funding applications - and can enable access to such larger partnerships -, >> willing to contribute to the work of programmers, or willing to motivate >> programmers to converge around a commons oriented approach - >> >> see : http://fisa.future-internet.eu/index.php/FIA_Research_Roadmap >> >> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ssai/fp8preparations_en.html >> >> Note : There are also all kinds of existing video materials that can be >> used to illustrate such concepts... I am willing to bring them together. >> Those who can do video editing, I d be interested in supporting research >> for creating a new video document too, in addition to blog articles. >> >> >> >> >> Forwarded conversation >> >> Subject: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is >> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! >> ------------------------ >> >> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.mon...@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM >> To: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org> >> >> >> What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to me ) >> >> *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials* >> *B ) Not interested* >> >> and >> >> *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data>* >> *2 ) Know about it* >> *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data> applications ( in support of p2p >> 4 commons ? )* >> >> ( or whatever other replies you wish to give ) >> >> // >> >> Context of my question : >> >> Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic with much >> interest on the p2pf related forums. >> >> I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know about >> Linked Data, and its potentials ? >> >> Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to bring it up >> on this specific list ? >> >> I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications, >> including in support of Sharing Economy applications. >> >> I personally have been interested in some of its applications for a few >> years, without being a programmer. I collaborated with a programmer over >> the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be taken to >> create certain applications. >> >> /// >> >> The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick , >> hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies. It does not have to >> be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you like. >> >> From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain what >> Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored the >> topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to manifest them >> into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons >> oriented political economies. >> >> Cordially, >> Dante >> >> >> >> ---------- >> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.mon...@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM >> To: Connor Turland <connorturl...@gmail.com>, Bob Haugen < >> bob.hau...@gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshap...@gmail.com>, Benjamin >> Brownell <solaur...@gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbr...@geekgene.com>, >> Eric Harris-Braun <e...@harris-braun.com>, "m...@larky.org" <m...@larky.org>, >> elf Pavlik <perpetual-trip...@wwelves.org>, Dan Robles < >> ingenes...@gmail.com>, S H <seh...@gmail.com>, Helene Finidori < >> hfinid...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> sent this to p2pf list ... >> Cordially, Dante >> >> >> ---------- >> From: *Helene Finidori* <hfinid...@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM >> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.mon...@gmail.com> >> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturl...@gmail.com>, Bob Haugen < >> bob.hau...@gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshap...@gmail.com>, Benjamin >> Brownell <solaur...@gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbr...@geekgene.com>, >> Eric Harris-Braun <e...@harris-braun.com>, "m...@larky.org" <m...@larky.org>, >> elf Pavlik <perpetual-trip...@wwelves.org>, Dan Robles < >> ingenes...@gmail.com>, S H <seh...@gmail.com> >> >> >> Good idea. >> >> Wasn't this what we were trying to do at the Ouishare labs camp last May? >> Find ways to de-silo-ize the web, enable interoperability and info to 'find >> each other' based on people's (agent's') intentions and capacities? >> >> It would indeed be interesting to 'package' the 'value proposition' a bit >> :) in a compact and direct 'aha that's what I could use it for , or that's >> how it could concretely benefit society' generating way. And yes, create a >> collective... >> >> >> >> ---------- >> From: *Bob Haugen* <bob.hau...@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM >> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.mon...@gmail.com> >> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturl...@gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro < >> ishanshap...@gmail.com>, Benjamin Brownell <solaur...@gmail.com>, Arthur >> Brock <artbr...@geekgene.com>, Eric Harris-Braun <e...@harris-braun.com>, >> "m...@larky.org" <m...@larky.org>, elf Pavlik >> <perpetual-trip...@wwelves.org>, >> Dan Robles <ingenes...@gmail.com>, S H <seh...@gmail.com>, Helene >> Finidori <hfinid...@gmail.com> >> >> >> We are doing some of what Linked Data requires: providing >> derefenceable URIs for all objects. Most have them now; all will have >> them eventually. >> >> We are not currently using or investigating RDF. We are starting to >> offer JSON as a serialization format, which so far is the only format >> that has been requested. Would happily learn and use RDF if needed. >> We also plan to offer value streams (like activity streams but of >> value-creating and using activities). The pace of offerings depends >> on somebody wanting to use them. >> >> ---------- >> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.mon...@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM >> To: Helene Finidori <hfinid...@gmail.com> >> >> >> ... while at the same time enabling people to understand that this is a >> research project, >> >> that we do not have ready products, and that people are invited to >> contribute to make such visions into reality... including via their own >> projects, >> >> using standardized modules and/or offering frameworks people can re-use >> for their own purposes... >> >> >> >
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