On Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:03 PM Michael Rogers wrote:
> If you have any information about how FireChat works on Android I'd
> be interested to hear it.

None whatsoever. Today I hope to attend the FireChat presentation in
Palo Alto:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/firechat-from-hong-kong-protests-to-connecting-the-next-5-billion-tickets-15235777621

- so whoever is interested is certainly welcome to come and ask any
questions - but I'm afraid that even after that my understanding will
be a bit less clear than what you might require from the practical
standpoint. And I have a suspicion that you might be a bit too far
to come to Palo Alto in six hours. :)

Thank you for the Thali link, though. Interesting. I had an impression
that FireChat was significantly more robust. "Samsung and Nexus had a
lot of trouble talking to each other. 50% plus failure rates weren't
uncommon" - is not exactly what I expected to see; neiter this one:
"It was only when I forceably stopped the FireChat app and restarted
it that I then had 100% success across the board". Maybe it became
better since October of 2014, which is the lower boundary of this
test date (unfortunately the exact date and FireChat version were
not present in the test description).

Thank you -
S.Osokine.
22 Jan 2015.


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From: p2p-hackers [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Michael Rogers
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:03 PM
To: theory and practice of decentralized computer networks
Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] Mesh networks and DoS

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On 22/01/15 17:59, Serguei Osokine wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:45 AM Michael Rogers wrote:
>> The overlay links can use pretty much any transport including
>> TCP, Bluetooth, Tor, dialup modems and USB sticks.
>
> Interesting. Thank you, Michael!
>
> Does it mean that currently Briar project has no transport of its
> own - i.e. it cannot, say, establish connections between nearby
> phones, the way FireChat does? Or two nearby Briar systems will
> find each other even in the absence of Internet?

Nearby devices will automatically find each other and connect via
Bluetooth if their owners are on each other's contact lists. They'll
also find each other via wifi if they're connected to the same
network. A plugin for Wi-Fi Direct shouldn't be hard to write.

If you have any information about how FireChat works on Android I'd be
interested to hear it. Yaron Goland carried out some experiments
recently that suggest it may use a combination of Bluetooth and wifi
to connect without manual pairing:
http://thaliproject.org/ExperimentWithFireChat

Cheers,
Michael
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