I just want to note that JAAS is not JAAAS - 
JAAS only covers Authentication and
Authorization,
not the third A - Audit.

Personally, i found the JAAS to be a rather
limiting model - it is not really used much
in the real world, and one of the main reasons
why is because is has zero hooks for auditing.

I'll also add that there may be a good reason why
auditing was not included, but i have a feeling
Perl can handle this better and more flexibly
than Java.

Just food for thought :)

jeffa

--- Stephen Adkins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I need a security (authorization) framework
> soon, and I will be developing
> one if I can't find a suitable one.  It would
> be great if this could be
> part of the P5EE effort.
> 
> I observe the following.
> 
>  1. Many others have already implemented such
> and API for their own needs
>  2. The J2EE spec may provide some excellent
> design guidance here (JAAS)
>     whether or not we imitate all of the
> classes/methods exactly
>       
> http://www.officevision.com/pub/p5ee/j2ee.html
>        http://java.sun.com/products/jaas/
> 
> This is a request for
> 
>  1. Suggestions of existing code bases that
> would be good for a start
>  2. People who would like to work on defining
> and developing the modules
> 
> I reference Ajit's comments...
> 
> At 10:23 AM 10/24/2001 -0400, Ajit Deshpande
> wrote:
> ....
> >Before we start reinventing the
> project-management-wheels that we learnt
> >with the launch of perl6, I would suggest that
> we do something
> >like the following:
> >
> >0. An RFC process to get input from the
> community about the feature set
> >   desirable from p5ee.
> >
> >1. A designer or a group of designers that
> will design the framework:
> >   Perrin and Gunther come to mind as folks
> whose judgement I trust.
> >   There _are_ others, lets identify them.
> This group will be charged 
> >   with the munching on the RFPs and come up
> with a set of recommendations
> >   as regards the feature set of the framework
> >
> >2. Once the desired framework has taken shape,
> we can divide the framework
> >   into functionally distinct components and
> establish the APIs for
> >   the components.
> 
> Paul has put out a good laundry list of modules
> and where he thinks they
> should fit.  
> I have a similar list at
>
http://www.officevision.com/pub/p5ee/p5ee_modules.html.
> "Consensus" is a ways off, but perhaps
> agreement can be reached that we need
> an authentication/authorization API similar to
> JAAS.
> 
> >3. Each component will get an implementation
> team that will decide on the
> >   implementation using existing modules or
> build new glue code if necessary.
> 
> Volunteers for a security API?
> 
> >I think the important thing is to develop a
> specification. Some people have
> >expressed reservations about aping the J2EE
> spec. But, instead of
> re-inventing
> >the wheel here, lets take a hard look at the
> J2EE spec and decide what is
> most
> >desirable (hence the RFC process).
> 
> Right.  We need an API spec first, and the JAAS
> spec is a worthy reference
> to begin with.
> 
> >Ajit
> 
> Stephen
> http://www.officevision.com/pub/p5ee/
> 
> 
> 


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