On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:51:07 -0500, Charles Kerr wrote: >> I'm sorry to say I found it so contrary to the way I work, that I gave up >> entirely, until the new version reaches 1.0 -- which, I hope, I hope >> (pretty please with sugar on it?) may make it an option whether to >> aggregate them. Is there hope? >> >> Both just feel so wrong, somehow, that they keep me from holding my >> attention on what I'm trying to do -- forcing me to concentrate on >> stuff I don't even want to know about. > > I have to admit this thread baffles me. For the most part, > aggregated servers will "just work" without any hoops to jump through. > David's complaint makes sense, but I have no idea why aggregation > distracts you, Beartooth.
Probably my fault : what I don't know makes trouble, but it's nothing to the trouble I get from what I think I know that ain't so -- in this case, perhaps, the definition of 'aggregating'. I *think*, having learned a little caution, that something Jeff Berman and Brad Rogers are talking about lower in this thread is related. Not the idea of server preference, which they also talk about -- I don't even know which of my servers average faster than others -- but what Jeff seems (to me at least) to be saying in these words : > I like to segregate certain newsgroups into different sets. [...] a > small front end launcher for pan that merely swaps out > various .pan2 directories for the one containing the groups you want to > work with. Is that better called "grouping"?? Let me try again, in case it's not. As it is now, I choose any of four servers before I do anything else -- as it is on 0.14, and has been for years. (I don't remember where I came in.) All the Opera stuff (well, nearly all) is on news.opera.no; all the Steve Gibson & Co. stuff is on news.grc.com; Gmane stuff is on Gmane; and the big Duke's Mixture is on giganews. OK so far? So if I just want, say, to check for answers to something I've asked about linux opera, I choose that server, and then the linux group. By now I know that kind of thing without stopping to think about it. If I have more time, I can choose the Gmane server, and come to this list or even (if I have *plenty* of time) to the fedora.general one -- which is way down there, since I at least skim a lot more lists on Gmane than elsewhere. The point is that I try to keep each server's lists down to few enough to obviate the kind of scrolling a/o searching that I have to do if for instance I hear of some new list and have to go through the All Groups list on Gmane or Giganews to get to it. If Jeff & Brad (and maybe others, so limited is my command of jargon) are talking about is "grouping," then maybe that's what I should be asking for. It's not that I particularly want to group what I follow by server; I could work up something that would arrange groups first by how much time I spend on them, then by how important they are to me, then by whether they relate to browsers or mailers or newsreaders or OSs -- and several other ways -- into groups and subgroups. If I can choose the groupings, so much the better -- preferably with sub- and sub-sub-groupings chosen for each. What I saw, and couldn't adjust to, when I tried 0.100, was one single long list, arranged in no way that made enough sense to me so that I could, for instance, open Pan, go straight to gmane.org.infinite ink or bburg.forsale or comp.mail.pine, do what I needed, and get out. If there *is* a way, maybe I just missed it. If so, what's its name? Parallel Example: I keep all my permanent bookmarks in Opera and export them to other browsers from there -- and don't use bookmarks in Epiphany at all. (Others, of which I run half a dozen, from Dillo to Firefox, are in between with respect to how, and how much, I use their bookmarking.) The big difference is that Opera has an option to "sort by my order" -- whereas Epiphany at the other extreme tries to do what a good library does, and sort them for me, into some sort of order intended to be optional for everybody. If *I* get to arrange them, I have some hope of being able to find them again. Some other way -- including a single alphabetical or chronological list -- may be 'better' somehow, at least once you learn it; but life is too short for that at my age. Am I making sense yet? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Wordcrafty Squirreler FC5; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; CXO 5.0.1 Dillo 0.8.6, Opera 9.0, Firefox 1.5, Galeon 2.0.1, et al. Remember I have little idea what I am talking about. _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
