On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 15:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Duncan wrote:
> Beartooth via Pan-users posted on Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:36:30 -0000 (UTC)
> as excerpted:
>
>> I'm tweaking two new (to me) PCs -- a job I haven't done in years.
>> Both are running Fedora 41 Mate. I've gotten the programs installed
>> that I depend on most -- EXCEPT Pan itself. (It's running on a third
>> PC.)
>
> Like Wayne I recognize the name, and I'm *so* happy to see it again!
As I am to see yours!
> I
> think it was January or February (my 58th was Jan 26) I was thinking I
> hadn't seen "Beartooth" around in awhile, and thinking about my age...
> and how I guess at this age one just has to start to get used to
> familiar names just ceasing to appear...
I know the feeling only too well.
> So really, I'm **SO** happy to
> see it again!!! [Imagine those videos of a veteran returning after a
> year on- post, when his dog sees him again! That's mentally where I am!
> =:^) ]
Well, I'm no dog, though I may be a lot of other things; but all
the rest of that, coming from YOU, SIR!, is the best compliment I've had
in a lot of years. (I turned 85 days ago.) I thank you!
> It has been over two decades (literally, since spring 2004... so 21
> years!!... there's that age thing again!) since I was on an RPM-based
> distro,
By '04 I was re-retired and had settled (once and for all, as it
turned out) on Fedora.
> but even back then I was trying to install newer versions of
> stuff, and there was this rpmfind site that I still occasionally use to
> look up what package contains some file or something...
It seems I really don't have an rpmfind command: I get an error
message from bash its own self. But I do get a very generous-sounding
reply, in English, from www.rpmfind.net, your "web shortcut." But there's
a deeper problem: put it that you're forgetting the disclaimer I have to
put into my .sig. The minute we come to 'make' or 'build' or the like, I'm
lost. Compiling in my world is for lexicographers and bibliographers.
> At least back in 2004 I regularly installed rpmfind-sourced rpms cross-
> distro, and it actually worked quite well, but of course newer versions
> would often require newer versions of libraries as well, and rpm
> couldn't find them on my normal distro repos, so I'd often have to try,
> get the error saying some library wasn't available in a new enough
> version, go find it on rpmfind, try installing it, sometimes getting
> another error about some other not new enough package... repeat several
> times for various packages until all the deps were satisfied, THEN I
> could finally install the new version of the package I was after all
> along!
>
> AKA "dependency hell". But it /can/ be done with suitable patience, and
> you don't have to learn how to actually build the package in question to
> do it.
I remember dependency hell only too vividly. When it comes to that
particular Circle, Dante ain't got nuthin' on me.
> Maybe Wayne can try pan from rpmfind on his fedora 41 and you two can
> compare notes on what other packages if any you have to upgrade from
> rpmfind to get it working?
>
> Of course the other caution is that in theory some small fraction of the
> time the newer versions of libraries might break some other package you
> have installed (after all, that's the whole reason "stable enterprise
> distros" tend to be so stale, they don't want to chance breakage with an
> upgrade, no matter how small that chance is), but I actually did this
> somewhat routinely and never had that problem that I recall, so I'd say
> it's reasonably unlikely. Just be aware of the possibility in case
> something /does/ break, and know that /if/ it happens you may have to
> either upgrade whatever breaks as well, or choose between keeping a
> working pan while whatever remains broken, or breaking pan by
> reinstalling the old versions of the libraries actually from your distro
> to fix whatever the new versions broke. But from my experience anyway,
> I'd say don't worry too much about it unless it happens.
As a former English Bulldog owner, I've always admired your
tenacity, which recalls his. I might've been fit to emulate it until, say,
the early 1980s ...
It seemed natural to howl for help here first; but I'll also ask
on Gmane's Fedora group why it's not in the repos, or which repo I may be
missing. There are always a few of the developers there; maybe one will
tell me of a repo I haven't tried, or get it into F42 in May.
>
> Again, /so/ glad to see your name again! =:^)
I don't remember (if I ever knew) where you live; but I hope very
much, if ever you pass nigh SOUTHwest Virginia, you will come visit.
--
Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.
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