I'm copying Donald, as one of the authors of RFC 4086 for advice here. Donald, this is in regard to draft-ietf-pana-pana-12.txt

This recommendation on selection of the Cookie:

 In order to do that, the cookie MUST be computed in such a way that
 it does not require any per-session state maintenance on the PAA in
 order to verify the cookie returned in the PANA-Start-Answer message.
 The handshake phase that takes advantage of cookies is called
 "stateless handshake".  The exact algorithms and syntax used by the
 PAA to generate cookies does not affect interoperability and hence is
 not specified here.

Seems to be in conflict with:

 The Cookie AVP (AVP Code 3) is used for carrying a random value
 generated by the PAA according to [RFC4086].


Seen elsewhere in the document.

First, there is obvious conflict in that the document says there is no recommendation on algorithms in one place, but refers to RFC 4086 in another (which clearly does have algorithms to recommend). But more importantly, it seems that you are placing requirements on the randomness of the cookie value by referencing RFC4086 (which is a good thing) while at the same time mandating (with a MUST, no less) specific implementation requirements with respect to state at the PAA. I'm not sure thatit is even possible to state that the PAA MUST somehow be able to verify that it generated a cookie, without state, and still be in keeping with RFC 4086 requirements (this is where I would like Donald to give advice).

Also, if you are going to reference RFC 4086, I believe you need to define what kind of random number you are looking for. To wit, I think you are looking for a "Cryptographically Random" value, as you are trying to protect against blind guessing attacks here.

Finally, if keeping state at the PAA isn't a big deal for a specific implementation, why include this kind of MUST? I think you are getting too deep into implementation details with normative language.

- Mark


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