Eric

OK I was waiting for some files to copy, so I had a quick edit of vtkTemporalSnapToTimeStep and vtkTemporalShiftScale. Both these classes derived from vtkTemporalDataSetAlgorithm, but this was wrong, when we reimplemented the Temporal stuff, it was possible for these classes to derive from vtkDataObject. All they do is change information. You can now connect them to normal filters willy nilly, without vtkTemporalDataSets being created all over the shop.

Tyr updating from CVS the 4 files in Hybrid
vtkTemporalSnap* vtkTemporalShift*

then have another go. Get rid of any TemporalCache filters that you don't need too.

I've been meaning to do this for ages. I hope it makes a difference. I still haven't actually read all your emails, but I'm sure there was some dodgy temporal caching/dataset swapping going on, this ought to make it easier to track down when I do look into it properly at least ....

JB

Hey John,

I really appreciate the suggestion, but it doesn't seem to do anything to solve this problem.

If you can take a look at this after Christmas that would be great!

Thanks,
-Eric


On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:00 AM, John Biddiscombe wrote:

Eric,

I had a temporal problem and made a small change to vtkCompositeDataPipeline which fixed my trouble. It occurred to me (and I confess that due to other deadlines, I have not followed this thread carefully, but I will fix the problem after Christmas) - that perhaps your problem was related.

Try this

open vtkCompositeDataPipeline

search for two lines with hasRTD = true and comment them out - like so!
// hasRTD = true;

Now tell me if your pipeline does what you expect.

I don't know why REQUIRES_TIME_DOWNSTREAM is actually being forwarded up the pipeline, the executive should replace the output of the filter it is working with now, and others can do as they please. I was getting all sorts of nonsense with multiple temporal filters causing outputs to be replaced all over the place, this solved it.

It may not be applicable to your case, but if it works...please let me know.

JB
I added this information to the bug report.

-Ken


On 11/25/08 11:33 AM, "Eric E. Monson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   Hey Ken,

   Thanks a lot for looking into this -- I'm sure it was a pleasure
   to see it pop up again! :)

   Your workaround using the temporal cache filter seems to work as
   long as I do the grouping in the "correct" order. If I first click
   on the shift(0) filter, and then command-click to also select the
   shift(1) filter and then group the data sets, stepping forward in
   time only shows one point, but then backwards in time shows the
   correct thing: two points trailing each other. If I select the
   shift(1) first and then the shift(0), stepping forwards in time
   works, but not backwards. (Although, I still get a "stutter"
   sometimes where on the second click forwards after applying the
   group filter the points collapse for one step...)

   If I select in the "wrong" order, but increase the size of the
   caches (up from the original 2), I can get the points to look
   right for one or two steps forwards sometimes. They always look
   right going forward if I've just stepped backwards through that
   time range so the data is in the caches.

   So, temporal caching fixes it if the filters are selected in the
   "right" order for the order in which the time is going to be
   stepped...

   Thanks,
   -Eric


   On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:58 PM, Moreland, Kenneth wrote:

       Nuts. I guess it wasn’t fixed after all. I submitted a new bug
       report with your new description.

       http://www.paraview.org/Bug/view.php?id=8156

       Note that I think I found a workaround using the temporal
       cache filter. (Details in the bug report.)

       -Ken


On 11/21/08 8:15 AM, "Eric E. Monson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


           Hey,

Sorry for the long email, but I find this problem difficult to
           describe succinctly...

           In February I was trying to use multiple Temporal Shift
           Scale filters
           as input to a Python Programmable Filter to do on-the-fly
           point
           velocity calculations (for diffusing particles in my
           simulation
           output). There were troubles with the pipeline updating
           properly, and
           Ken Moreland came up with a nice self-contained test case
           and filed
           the bug 6307:

           http://www.paraview.org/Bug/view.php?id=6307

           which was listed in August as "fixed" because the test
           case seemed to
           work now. But, I don't think this is really resolved yet.

           If you load in the TimeShiftTest2.pvsm state file, the
           animation seems
           to play correctly, but I think that's a red herring. If
           you turn off
           the visibility of the TemporalShiftScale filters, you can
           see that no
           boxes move until after t=1.0, whereas if the temporal
           filters are
           turned on, and the group filter is turned off, one box
           moves and then
           the other.

           I don't know if this helps, but if you look at the Output
           printed by
the Python filter in TimeShiftTest1.pvsm, you can see that the
           temporal data sets have the correct time, but the
           ImageData within
           them doesn't match.
           ......

           All of this is much more clear to me when I load in a
           simple data set
           with one point moving in time (attached Xdmf data set --
           I'll also
           attach a link to a state file which sets this pipeline up,
           but you'll
           have to change the path for the data file in the state
           file manually
           if you want to use it).

           The pipeline is: Load data. Add a Temporal Shift Scale
           with (post)
           shift=0. Add another TSS off the original data set with
           (post) shift =
           1. Highlight both TSSs and route into a Python
           Programmable Filter
           with Unstructured Grid output and this script:

           in0 = self.GetInputDataObject(0,0)
           ds0 = in0.GetTimeStep(0)
           in1 = self.GetInputDataObject(0,1)
           ds1 = in1.GetTimeStep(0)
           print 'in1 t = %.1f' %
           in1.GetInformation().Get(in1.DATA_TIME_STEPS(),0)
           print 'ds1 t = %.1f' %
           ds1.GetInformation().Get(ds1.DATA_TIME_STEPS(),0)
           print 'in0 t = %.1f' %
           in0.GetInformation().Get(in0.DATA_TIME_STEPS(),0)
           print 'ds0 t = %.1f' %
           ds0.GetInformation().Get(ds0.DATA_TIME_STEPS(),0)
           out1 = self.GetOutputDataObject(0)
           out1.ShallowCopy(ds0)
           print 'out1 t = %.1f' %
           out1.GetInformation().Get(out1.DATA_TIME_STEPS(),0)

           When I animate this (PV CVS or 3.4, OS X 10.5.5), with the
           TSSs on and
           the PPF off, I see the expected: two points, one following
           the other.
           When the TSSs are off and the PPF is on, only one point
           shows up.
           Also, the behavior is different if the animation is
           stepped backwards
           rather than forwards. And, the printed Output times from
           the PPF show
           one of the ImageData sets time doesn't match its temporal
           host.

           As in Ken's example, this works very similarly with a
           Group filter in
           place of the PPF.

           This still seems very confusing, and I hope someone will
           have some clue!

           Thanks,
           -Eric

           ------------------------------------------------------
           Eric E Monson
           Duke Visualization Technology Group

           Test data set:





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