Andres, MacOS truncates in the middle ;)
> On 24 Oct 2016, at 13:59, Catherine Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > > +1 to needing both end and middle based on the use case. > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Matt Carrano <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > The middle truncation is really useful for long path names that will all > share the same prefix. Think about things like files names or disk names > that are required to display the full path name. If out truncate the end, > all of the name strings will be identical at a glance. Middle truncation > allows you to see what's different, which is usually at the end of the long > string. > > I would expect that there are some standard algorithms out there for doing > this. End truncation is likely to be the default choice, but I think we need > both. > > Matt > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Andres Galante <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Liz, > > That's great information, this is the first time I heard about truncation in > the middle of the word. > > I am sure that middle of the string truncation can be done with javascript, > but CSS only allows to do it at the end of it. I'd say that unless there is a > really good reason to do it in the middle lets try to avoid JS. > > Thanks! > > Andrés > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Matt Carrano <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > This is great, Liz. I think that your proposed text will add a lot of > clarity to the choice between these two methods. Will look forward to seeing > some examples of truncated names and we can evaluate further. > > Matt > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Liz Blanchard <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been thinking about truncation a bit and was looking into some UX > standards on the topic. It's all very much in line with the examples that > Greg and Ju have given. What do you all think about extending the PatternFly > "Truncation" section on the Terminology and Wording page [1] to include > something like the following... > > "Using an ellipsis to truncate a long string is recommended. There are two > different methods that could be applied. One is to truncate at the end of the > string "abcdef..." and the other would be to truncate in the middle of the > string "abc...ghi". > Choose the method on the basis of whether text at the end or in the middle of > the string is more likely to differentiate the item. This would be dependent > on the domain. > On a property website, for instance, an address string will usually end > 'Road' or 'Street'. So the form 'abc...def' won't be much use as the final > characters will almost always be 'oad' or 'eet', neither of which help the > user. > If the answer is not clear, default to the 'abcdef...' form over 'abc...ghi'. > Partial words will most likely be easier to guess from the initial characters > than the end ones. 'Openi...' is much more recognizable than '...ening', for > example." > > I'd also like to add in a statement where we suggest the use of the tool tip > on hover to view the entire string. > > I'm working on some specific use cases with the Storage product and we > definitely are seeing the need for both methods. More commonly, we will be > using method 1 for things like Cluster Name and Pool Name, but we are > considering method two for things like Hostname where the end characters are > important in differentiating the items in the list. > > Any further thoughts on this? > > Thanks! > Liz > > [1] http://www.patternfly.org/styles/terminology-and-wording/#_ > <http://www.patternfly.org/styles/terminology-and-wording/#_> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Andres Galante <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Matt, we definitely need guides around truncation, not only on server > names but in general. > > It's always a grey area how and when to truncate. > > If working on Tendrl you can come up with some refomendations we can apply > them to our patterns. > > Let me know if I can help in any way, we can test things up in different use > cases to see if it works > > Thanks! > > On Monday, 10 October 2016, Ju Lim <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > This generally works for most names except I've found in certain contexts > from previous experience that truncating in the front made more sense, e.g. > "...xyz" for MAC Addresses and SAN nicknames as it was less useful doing it > as "xyz..." since the beginning portion was repeated a lot and didn't help so > much with uniquely identifying the object. > > An interesting consideration is if there is a need for truncation of an IPv6 > addresses, how do we tackle this. I know IPv6 already includes truncation in > the spec, but there are going to be circumstances where we may need to go > beyond this. Thoughts? > > Regards, > Ju > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Greg Sheremeta <[email protected] <>> > wrote: > Hi Matt / all, > > This gets tricky when you have machine names in your listings! > my_super_important_vm_1 > my_super_important_vm_2 > his_super_important_vm_1 > > ^ Either way you truncate that "column", someone's going to lose some > important info, and looking through the column will be frustrating for the > users. > > In oVirt, we take the simple approach and truncate at the end. And, in most > places where there is truncation, hovering over the truncated string shows > you (via tooltip) the entire string: > > <Selection_115.png> > > My recommendation for PatternFly: recommend / default to end truncation with > "...". I like the hover-show-full-name feature -- that's something UX people > should discuss re: if it should exist and what it would look like. (We use PF > tooltips, but I could see other widgets being useful.) > > Best wishes, > Greg > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Matt Carrano <[email protected] <>> wrote: > Hey Patternflyers, > > I am currently working on the Tendrl storage console project and need to come > up with some guidance on how to truncate long names that may appear in our > UI. I'm thinking of things like hostnames, disk names, and other types of > objects that may take on a potentially long path name based on user naming. > PatternFly currently provides some general guidance, but no specific rules. > > I'm curious how you are handling this on other projects as I know it's a > common problem. Do you truncate in the middle of the string, the end of the > string, or have another method? > > Any advice or examples will be welcome. > > Regards, > > Matt > > -- > Matt Carrano > Sr. Interaction Designer > Red Hat, Inc. > [email protected] <> > > _______________________________________________ > Patternfly mailing list > [email protected] <> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly > <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly> > > > > > -- > Greg Sheremeta, MBA > Red Hat, Inc. > Sr. Software Engineer > [email protected] <> > > _______________________________________________ > Patternfly mailing list > [email protected] <> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly > <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly> > > > > > -- > Ju Lim > Red Hat > Office: 978-399-0422 <tel:978-399-0422> > Mobile: 781-507-1323 <tel:781-507-1323> > Email: [email protected] <> > IRC: julim > > > _______________________________________________ > Patternfly mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly > <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Patternfly mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly > <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly> > > > > > -- > Matt Carrano > Sr. Interaction Designer > Red Hat, Inc. > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > -- > Matt Carrano > Sr. Interaction Designer > Red Hat, Inc. > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > _______________________________________________ > Patternfly mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly > <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly> > > > _______________________________________________ > Patternfly mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly Gabriel Cardoso UX designer @ Red Hat
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