That's just rude. Then again, as people have said, some people or only there because they gets the CPE's or their Boss said they have to attend.
Robin, I've not found that with the SANS courses I've attended personally. Although I've heard some stories from a few people. I still fail to understand how people don't want to take advantage of their luck to attend such good training. I'd love to be thrown in at the deep end. Better that it happen in class with a life-guard on duty, than in the workplace were they'll just let you drown without thinking twice. Chris [email protected]@inet wrote on 25.05.2009 16:20:02: > At my class, you will notice at about 3min in there is some lady talking loud > on her phone, and it was very distracting for me. > > Adrian > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Michael Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Just have to chime in on the CPE issue. Those that are simply > accruing CPEs and not there for the love of it is yet another symptom > of what separates "them" from "us". > > Not all professions will have people who are passionate about what > they do... however IMO InfoSec seems to not yet have done a good job > of culling the posers. > > (enough ranting about that) > > When I present, I try to use those CPE snaggers as a barometer. If I > can get them into the session, that I'm fairly confident that I'm > making this meaningful for everyone. The only problem that I > routinely see with this is that I wind up having to shoot a bit lower > than I'd like. Yet when I ask around, most folks seem to like the > lowered bar. :-( I think the issue is that most folks who go to > these events don't actually want their hair blown back. They just > want a few tips and tricks... If you throw them into the deep end, > they don't all float! ;-p > > Well that's been my experience anyway. > - Mick > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Adrian Crenshaw <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, I'm guessing on the juse showing up for CPE. Some of the folks were > > accountants as I understand it, and really did not seem to understand the > > tech. Also, I offered to hand around after class to let people play with the > > tech, and most wanted to be out of there when the 4hrs were up. > > > > I could do timing better next time, but these classes I've been teaching are > > one offs. The next one will be on a different topic. > > > > As for Christopher's question, I have no idea how much time I spent outside > > of class just getting things to work. I spent a lot of time just getting all > > of my demos in order and writing notes for them. > > > > Adrian > > > > > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Daniel [Virturity.com] > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >4. Lots of folks will show up for CPE, but may not really be interested > >> in the subject. > >> > >> Thats interesting. It wouldnt even cross my mind to spend time somewhere > >> just for CPE if im not interested. How did you notice some werent really > >> there for the topic? > >> Btw. how many attendees do you have for these ISSA events? > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 19:20 -0400, Adrian Crenshaw wrote: > >> > Well, I ran the class Saturday, unfortunately things di not go as > >> > smoothly as I would have liked. Originally, this was going to be one > >> > 4hr class, but Jeff had something come up so he could not cover > >> > WEP/WPA cracking, and my section took so long that Brian never got a > >> > chance to present his material on DD-WRT. I'm hoping to get them back > >> > to do a part 2 of this video. In this section I cover the basics of > >> > WiFi, good chipsets, open file shares, monitor mode, war driving > >> > tools, testing injection, deauth attacks and the evil twin attack. > >> > Some of this comes out as kind of a stream of consciousness, but > >> > hopefully you can find some useful nuggets from my brain dump of what > >> > I've learned about 802.11a/b/g/n hacking. As far as classes goes this > >> > is the mostly complicated one I've set up. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/802-11-wireless-security-class-part-1 > >> > > >> > Things I've learned by trying to teach this class: > >> > > >> > 1. Wireless classes take lots of wires. Brian and I had to run a lot > >> > of cables to get all of our routers, video equipment and laptops > >> > functioning. > >> > 2. I have no idea how long it will take me to demo something live. > >> > 3. The Jeffersonville library needs more APs. > >> > 4. Lots of folks will show up for CPE, but may not really be > >> > interested in the subject. > >> > 5. Don't chew gum while teaching. > >> > 6. 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