I am okay with your proposal. But the requirement as worded is
specifically tied to a specific usage scenario.
Whereas the Push mechanism could be applied for other reasons as well.

-Raj

On 1/20/12 1:08 PM, "ext Peter Stanforth" <[email protected]> wrote:

>What Brian and I were saying is that we need a mechanism to deal with
>changes to spectrum availability and that push is only one option. I like
>the description Brian gave:
>"At this stage, we should say that we have a requirement to change
>availability of spectrum on a short notice"
>
>
>
>On FriJan/20/12 Fri Jan 20, 12:59 PM, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>I believe we have general consensus to include a requirement for
>>unsolicited Push notifications/messages to be sent by the white space
>>device to the master device.
>>Proposal for requirement in I-D:
>>
>>Requirement: A white space database should be able to send unsolicited
>>messages to a master device which has registered with it. The protocol
>>between the WS database and master device MUST allow for push
>>notifications to be sent from the database to the master device.
>>
>>-Raj
>> 
>>
>>On 1/20/12 11:50 AM, "ext [email protected]"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Andy,
>>>
>>>I agree with you the risk of non-delivery of pushed messages is small.
>>>
>>>The kill switch is one method in the protocol to clear secondary users
>>>from specific channels at specific locations. Since Ofcom has included
>>>it
>>>in their Implementing Geolocation document I believe this is sufficient
>>>justification to include this feature in PAWS.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>On 1/19/12 6:33 PM, "ext [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>Regarding time constraints for message delivery from the database,
>>>>Ofcom
>>>>has moved away from specifying a time limit for a database to respond
>>>>to
>>>>a request, on the basis that if it is a first request then the master
>>>>will not transmit if it fails to receive a response, and if it is a
>>>>'revalidation' request and the master receives no response, the master
>>>>will cease transmitting anyway when the time validity timer expires. I
>>>>think in principle we need not specify a time limit for delivery of
>>>>pushed information; if received, the master must act on it, but if not
>>>>received, it will continue to transmit until its validity timer
>>>>expires.
>>>>I think that is reasonable. In practice the risk of non-delivery is
>>>>tiny,
>>>>as is the likelihood of invoking the kill switch in the first place as
>>>>a
>>>>method of solving interference issues (even in an emergency).
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>Sent: 19 January 2012 19:42
>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>Subject: Re: [paws] next steps for the wg
>>>>
>>>>Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>I believe it is relevant to look at Ofcom's Implementing Geolocation
>>>>Summary of consultation responses and next steps. Paragraph 3.42
>>>>states:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ofcom retains control over the performance of the algorithms used in
>>>>>the databases and will update them if required to manage interference.
>>>>>A kill switch is a useful reactive tool and we believe that it should
>>>>>form a core part of the protocol which describes the information
>>>>>exchange between WSDs and the database.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Following the notion that a kill switch should form a core part of the
>>>>protocol, this could be included in a very basic use case like
>>>>"Hotspot:
>>>>urban internet connectivity service". I can volunteer to make this
>>>>addition in the use case.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding the requirement we could say the database must be able to
>>>>deliver updated channel information to any registered master device. We
>>>>have not specified elsewhere any time constraints on message delivery,
>>>>I
>>>>wonder if this is needed in this case either.
>>>>
>>>>Kind Regards,
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>>>>ext Joel M. Halpern
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:12 AM
>>>>To: Rosen, Brian
>>>>Cc: [email protected]
>>>>Subject: Re: [paws] next steps for the wg
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Brian.  That works much better for me.
>>>>Yours,
>>>>Joel
>>>>
>>>>On 1/19/2012 9:08 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
>>>>> At this stage, we should say that we have a requirement to change
>>>>>availability of spectrum on a short notice, we need a use case that
>>>>>would motivate some decision on what "short" means, and we should not
>>>>>worry about which mechanism we should choose to achieve it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Push, fast poll, and notice broadcast (i.e. a single bit sent to all
>>>>>clients telling them to "phone home" soon) are all reasonable
>>>>>mechanisms
>>>>>to meet the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
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