Hi Andy,

I agree with you.

Kind Regards,
Scott

On 2/21/12 10:53 AM, "ext [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Scott
>
>Good for me. A consequential revision would be consistent in the (old)
>4.1.1 on database discovery. At step 3 it says "If at least one response
>is received, the master device evaluates the response(s) to determine if
>a trusted database can be identified where the master device is able to
>register and receive service from the database." I suggest the intent is
>the same and the application consistent across regulatory domains if
>"register and receive service" is changed to "receive service".
>
>Regards
>
>Andy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: 21 February 2012 16:46
>To: Sago,AJ,Andy,COD R; [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [paws] UC&R I-D: section 4.1 (TVWS database discovery,
>device registration with trusted database)
>
>Hi Andy, All,
>
>Following up on your keen observation about registration as a
>pre-requisite. It may not be required in all regulatory domains, and also
>not for all device types. If there are no objections, I will make the
>following correction:
>
>Registration <delete>is</delete><insert>may be</insert> preliminary to
>creating a radio network using white space; <insert>in some regulatory
>domains, for some device types,</insert> it is a prerequisite to the use
>cases below.  The radio network is created by a master device.
>
>
>Kind Regards,
>Scott
>
>On 2/2/12 1:02 PM, "ext [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Scott
>>
>>The Device Registration use case at 4.1.2 is shown as a pre-requisite,
>>but may not be required in all regulatory domains. I take your point
>>though that at present we only have firm requirements from the FCC.
>>
>>I guess that the left most device in the diagram in 4.1.2 should be
>>labelled slave, not master.
>>
>>There is a conflict between the use case (elsewhere) that allows for WS
>>backhaul, and step 1 of database discovery in 4.1.1. It is possible for
>>a master to send a service request to the database over the WS, if it
>>does so as a slave to another master on that master's allowed
>>frequencies. We could correct step 1 to reflect this as follows:
>>
>>1.  The master device is connected to the internet by any means other
>>than using the <Delete>TV</Delete> white space radio. <Insert>An
>>exception is where the master device also has slave capabilities and is
>>already connected to the internet as a slave of the white space radio
>>network of another master.</Insert>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>>[email protected]
>>Sent: 02 February 2012 16:22
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: [paws] UC&R I-D: section 4.1 (TVWS database discovery, device
>>registration with trusted database)
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>As editors of the problem statement, use cases & requirements draft we
>>are attempting to prepare a completed draft which could be ready for
>>working group last call before IETF83. In the coming days we will post
>>the sections of the draft to the mailing list. Our request is that you
>>review these sections and reply to the email with any comments.
>>
>>Below is the text for sections on protocol services (new section
>>numbering). This text has been marked up from version-02 as uploaded
>>January 26, 2012 to include the previous comments on the mail reflector
>>about use cases vs. protocol services, plus a few suggestions from the
>>editor (removing 'TV' since PAWS applies to all white space, correcting
>>for the fact that we only know at this time the FCC's specific
>>requirements for registration).
>>
>>Our goal is that any discussion on this text will conclude by February 9.
>>To be clear, approval of the document will go through the normal
>>process of last calls etc.. We are simply asking for your assistance in
>>preparing a complete & accurate document that could progress the work.
>>So please review the text and send your comments either directly to the
>>editor or to the mailing list.
>>
>>Kind Regards,
>>Raj & Scott
>>
>>
>>
>><Insert>
>>
>>4.1 Protocol Services
>>
>>A complete protocol solution must provide all services that are
>>essential to enable the white space paradigm. Before a white space
>>device can request service from a white space database, such as a query
>>for a list of available channels, the white space device must first
>>locate or "discover" a suitable database. Additionally, some regulatory
>>authorities require the white space device to register with the
>>database as a first step. This section describes the services required
>>from the protocol.
>></Insert>
>>
>>4.1.1.  <Delete>TVWS</Delete><Insert>White space</Insert> database
>>discovery
>>
>><Delete>This use case</Delete><Insert>White space database
>>discovery</Insert> is preliminary to creating a radio network using
>><Delete>TV</Delete>
>>   white space; it is a prerequisite to
>><Delete>other</Delete><Insert>the</Insert> use cases
>><Insert>below</Insert>.  The radio
>>   network is created by a master device.  Before the master device can
>>   transmit in <Delete>TV</Delete> white space spectrum, it must
>>contact a trusted
>>   database where the device can learn if any channels are available for
>>   it to use.  The master device will need to discover a trusted
>>   database in the relvant regulatory domain, using the following steps:
>>
>>   1.  The master device is connected to the internet by any means other
>>       than using the <Delete>TV</Delete> white space radio.
>>
>>   2.  The master device constructs and sends a service request over the
>>       Internet to discover availability of trusted databases in the
>>       local <Insert>regulatory</Insert> domain and waits for responses.
>>
>>   3.  If no acceptable response is received within a pre-configured
>>       time limit, the master device concludes that no trusted database
>>       is available.  If at least one response is received, the master
>>       device evaluates the response(s) to determine if a trusted
>>       database can be identified where the master device is able to
>>       register and receive service from the database.
>>
>>   Optionally the radio device is pre-programmed with the internet
>>   address of at least one trusted database.  The device can establish
>>   contact with a trusted database using one of the pre-programmed
>>   internet addresses and establish a <Delete>TV</Delete> white space
>>network (as
>>   described in one of the following use cases).
>>
>>   Optionally the initial query will be made to a listing approved by
>>   the national regulator for the domain of operation (e.g. a website
>>   either hosted by or under control of the national regulator) which
>>   maintains a list of <Delete>TV</Delete>WS databases and their
>>internet addresses.  The
>>   query results in the list of databases and their internet addresses
>>   being sent to the master, which then evaluates the repsonse to
>>   determine if a trusted database can be identified where the master
>>   device is able to register and receive service from the database.
>>
>>
>>4.1.2.  Device registration with trusted Database
>>
>>   <Delete>This use case</Delete><Insert>Registration</Insert> is
>>preliminary to creating a radio network using <Delete>TV</Delete>
>>   white space; it is a prerequisite to
>><Delete>other</Delete><Insert>the</Insert> use cases
>><Insert>below</Insert>.  The radio
>>   network is created by a master device.  Before the master device can
>>   transmit in <Delete>TV</Delete> white space spectrum, it must
>>contact a trusted
>>   database where the device can learn if any channels are available for
>>   it to use.  Before the database will provide information on available
>>   <Delete>TV</Delete><Insert>radio</Insert> channels, the master
>>device must register with the trusted
>>   database.  Specific requirements for registration come from
>>   individual regulatory domains and may be different.
>>
>>   The figure below shows an example deployment of this scenario.
>>
>>
>>
>>                              \|/                            ----------
>>                               |                             |Database|
>>                               |                     .---.   /---------
>>                             |-|---------|          (     ) /
>>     \|/                     |  Master   |         /       \
>>      |                   /  |           |========( Internet )
>>      |                  /   |-----------|         \        /
>>    +-|----+   (TDD AirIF)                          (      )
>>    |Master|  /                                      (----)
>>    |      | /
>>    +------+
>>
>>     Figure 2: Example illustration of registration requirement in
>><Delete>TV</Delete>
>>                           white space use-case
>>
>>   A simplified operational scenario showing registration consists of
>>   the following steps:
>>
>>   1.  The master device must register with
>><Delete>the</Delete><Insert>its</Insert> most current and up-to-
>>       date information.  Typically the master device will register
>>       prior to operating in <Delete>TV</Delete> white space for the
>>first time after
>>       power up, after changing location by a predetermined distance,
>>       and after regular time intervals.
>>
>>   2.  The master device shall provide to the database during
>>       registration <Insert>all information required according to local
>>regulatory requirements. This information may include, but is not
>>limited to, </Insert><Delete>a minimum of</Delete> the Device ID,
>>serial number assigned by the manufacturer <Delete>and</Delete> the
>>device's location<Insert>, device antenna height above ground, name of
>>the individual or business that owns the device, name of a contact
>>person responsible for the device's operation, address for the
>>       contact person, email address for the contact person and phone
>>number of the contact person.</Insert>
>>
>><Delete>
>>   3.  Depending upon regulatory domain requirements, the device may
>>       also provide device antenna height above ground, name of the
>>       individual or business that owns the device, name of a contact
>>       person responsible for the device's operation, address for the
>>       contact person, email address for the contact person and phone
>>       number of the contact person to the database during registration.
>></Delete>
>>
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