You sound just like many political novices I know in this movement. You
sound like the people who brought Letlapa into power out of ignorance,
arrogance  and in disregard of the advices of so many seasoned
revolutionaries (veterans) in this movement.

What PAYCO and PASMA know about the defense of revolution after the mess you
have done to the Party in defence of Letlapa, not PAC?

As former member of PASO and AZANYU NECs, I am proud  of our contribution as
youth leaders of our time. We put PAC where it rightful belongs, at the
centre stage of South African politics. What PAYCO and PASMA did, except
destroying PAC through paying their allegances to a leader, not to PAC?  I
have no respect for such people.

You still need to come forward and ask for forgiveness for your wrongdoings
in the movement before you can start pointing fingers. The most damage
incured by PAC under Letlapa leadership must be put squarely at the
doorsteps of  PAYCO and PASMA leaders, and no where else.

Remember: PAM is the product of Letlapa and leaders of PAYCO and PASMA. I
thought you knew that fact.  Given time, I can remind your short memory.

We must also remember, PAM is PAC-in-content. The current PAC is
PAC-in-form, but not in content. The current PAC off-ramped from both the
1949 Programme of Action and the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto. Today, we
have PAYCO and PACYL as PAC component structres. Is that not funny to you?
Is that not showing degeneration of PAC? During our youth days, that could
not happen. Remember, the youth and students, as the militant section of any
party or society,  play a crucial role in any political organsation, except
in the current PAC. Why??? PAYCO and PASMA have the answer.

Cunningham, remember what you said to me on our delayed flight from JHB to
CT (about 11pm) after the historic NEC meeting (about your Grand plan with
Letlapa).  I was sobber on that day.

Cde, my memory is still serving me well. Your plan was executed to its
logical conclusion, according to the way you tabulated to me. I then wonder
why you are also one of the people who are putting all the blame only to
Letlapa for all what has happened to the PAC. When are you all (Cunningham,
Ntonzima, Mashao, Siya, Tembeka, etc) going to take the blame too for all
your mess?  May be, cde, you were not aware you were briefing one of the
victims. But, thanks for such valuable information from the opponent.

This is not about revenge but honest to say, "I accept the blame. I was
wrong". You are then in the right route to draw lessons from your mistakes
and failures, so that you do not repeat them again. I do not see that with
all former Letlapa cronies. They are still arrogant as ever.

We were also wrong to be septical about the 1994 elections without the land
question being resolved. We are not ashame to accept the bame for our
misjudgement of the Apartheid regime's commitmet to the CODESA agreemets. We
were too cautious. We saw the whole setup as a Dingaan's kraal. At least, as
visionaries we envisaged the current politial setup in the "New" South
Africa (problems of unresolved land question and transfer of economic
power). We now have the neo-colonial state of the highest order, the
modernized Mozerewa - type of arrangment. *What a shame!!! *

Izwe Lethu!


On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:38 PM, sello mafrika Tladi <[email protected]>wrote:

> Which capacities are you giving this advise to PAYCO both of you as PAC
> supporters or sympathisers.Last time we spoke to Raymond myself and PAYCO
> President he told us that he does not want to be associated with PAC youth
> wing PAYCO.How is DSM?
>
> Mabaso I hope you are not lost this PAYCO FORUM not  of that ghost you
> formed with Thami.I refuse to call it with the name of revolutionary
> movement that was formed to defend revolution in occupied Azania.
>
> You used to be useful in the PAC but not today.
>
> counter revolutionaries will never chat a revolutionary way forward
>
>   On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Chargein Mabaso 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I agree with Nrumah. As Pan Africanists we have correct political line
>> and ideology. Problem: rhetoric and vulgarizaton of Pan Africanism. Our main
>> rival, the ruling party, mastered what Pan Africaists are very weak at
>> doing: understanding and practicing political hegemony and the notion of
>> "From the masses, to the masses..."(mass line). You may call it Stalinism,
>> but it works. That's what kept and still keeps the ANC and other political
>> parties in power. That's , political influence and control of the thinking
>> of the whole society at large(workers, peasants, business people,
>> professionals, academcs, clerics and atheists, cerebrities, sports people,
>> pensioners, women, youth,students, etc). These are all the people who will
>> either take us to or remove us from power depending on who has won their
>> hearts and minds, not our members. If not, South Africa will be under the
>> minority rule of a group of terrorists who can sieze power only  through
>> force of arms, not through international accepted democratic practices
>> (popular votes).
>>
>> Cunningham and other Pan Africanists in NACTU owes us an explanation
>> for their faiulre to do what is expected of them, just like Vavi and other
>> trade union leaders. MDC is  today  a serious threat in Zimbabwe with its
>> pro-West ideas because of unions under its apron strings.  What is
>> different between NACTU and other trade unions  in the whole world?
>>
>> I still believe with the full support of influential unions and other
>> formations of the civil society we can rule this country from tommorrow
>> onward. I have not doubts. Let's just address address all our failures and
>> weaknesses. And then go t the voters. Door-to-door campaign is what we
>> inherited from Sobukwe and his cabinet. Arm-chair politics will continue
>> keeping Pan Africanists out of power in South Afica.
>>
>> PAYCO group must be used only to refine our ideoogy; to iron out
>> ideological strggles, not for rhetorics and complaining about ANC
>> outperforming us in the election game. We must answer challenges facing the
>> movement, such as :
>>
>>    - Pan Africanism wthout Pan Africanists
>>    - Africanist Socalist Democracy v.s New Democracy in SA
>>    - United States of Africa or Unified Socialist Africa
>>    - United States of Africa  without  socalist States or socialists
>>    - Pan Afrcanism: Capitalism or Socialism?
>>    - Private planned or State planned economy
>>    - Malema's nationalisation : Capitalist or Socalist route?
>>    Difference??
>>    - Return of land: How??
>>    - Transfer of economic power: How??
>>    - etc
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, sello mafrika Tladi <[email protected]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Facebook 
>>> <[email protected]<notification%[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> Date: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM
>>> Subject: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall...
>>> To: Sello M'Afrika <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>
>>> Raymond Nkrumah posted something on your Wall and wrote:
>>>
>>> "Rhetorical statements are not a solution and the serve no significant
>>> purpose but if you can start working within the masses, build and integrate
>>> the party within t community and workers' struggles then you will possess
>>> the stregnth and ability to condemn and effect the necessary revolutionary
>>> change within the occupied Azania and the African Continent. through
>>> organisation and a clear political theory we can liberate Africans from the
>>> current state of servitude, poverty and human degradation."
>>>
>>>
>>> Reply to this email to comment on this post.
>>>
>>> To see your Wall or to write on Raymond Nkrumah's Wall, follow the link
>>> below:
>>>
>>> http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=1529311958&v=wall&story_fbid=1421477266819&mid=2435a30G5b2772d6G19ce288G1&n_m=rmsello%40gmail.com
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> The Facebook Team
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Find people from your Gmail address book on Facebook! Go to:
>>> http://www.facebook.com/find-friends/?ref=email
>>>
>>> =======================================
>>> This message was intended for [email protected]. If you do not wish to
>>> receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please click on the
>>> link below to unsubscribe.
>>>
>>> http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=f60a78&u=1529311958&mid=2435a30G5b2772d6G19ce288G1
>>> Facebook's offices are located at 1601 S. California Ave., Palo Alto, CA
>>> 94304.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sending your posting to [email protected]
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected]
>>>
>>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco
>>>
>>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sending your posting to [email protected]
>>
>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected]
>>
>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco
>>
>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
>
>
> --
> Sending your posting to [email protected]
>
> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected]
>
> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco
>
> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
>

-- 
Sending your posting to [email protected]

Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected]

You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco

Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com

Reply via email to