Comrade TT
Now we are talking. But please comrade lets not have an emotive debate about this issue. Lets just focus on facts and not try to redicule each other. I take this subject and the concerns you are raising very seriously. All i am saying is that there is no confidentiality or privacy to talk about as long as we are using enemy instruments of communication including our cell phones (I am sure you own one comrade). I am sure given your occupational background you would be aware of this reality. Besides this I still dont believe that any of the polemics in this platform deserves to be classified against public exposure. Please educate me and if you convince me i will accept that i was wrong. Why would anyone flash sensitive security information on a site like. My training and believe as a leader is that you do not discuss security matters in an open forum like this one, not even in an executive committee meeting of any organisation. These issues may just be noted but attended to by a closed group. However the information that is shared on this platform is information that members of the party in general should be exposed to especially now when we are on the path to rebuild the organisation. The reason why sometimes we make mistakes is because this information is hidden from members of the party. This information for me is not a security risk but a necessary political expose. By the way the only person who has evaded enermy surveillance and interception thus far is Bin Laden. I would say Mugabe too but i wouldnt. Mugabe security structures are just too strong and its difficult to get to him and actually assasinate him which although i have no evidence suspect the enermy have explored many a times. If the enemy was able to get to him they would have killed him a long time ago knowing that this will create cunfusion and lead to a bloody succession battle within ZANU-PF which 'might' just produce a leadership that would be amenable to enemy demands. ZANU-PF could also be weakened by such incident giving MDC better prospects of emerging in the elections. The enemy knows that if you nail the ring leader, the followers might become leadersless and fight amongst themselves and therefore the enemy always eliminate a strong figure to disorientate any organisation and undermine its unity and cohesion, in other words removing the glue that holds the organisation together. Let's discuss the nature of security concerns around this platform. >From : Hulisani Mmbara Call : 082 593 3012 Fax : 086 690 1176 Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:07:37 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Public or Internal Discussions To: [email protected] Comrade Mmbara You are entitled to your thinking on this aspect. For me the discussions and topics we treat are only for the consumption of party members. There is a lot of soul searching we are doing or have been doing for that matter. When you search your inner self you look inward with a view of identifying the weaklinks and appropriately reconstruct yourself and assume a position to face the world. Look at what Comrade Mawande has revealed about meetings in PE where names are mentioned, the devide between the PAC external and internal mission as pronounced by Cde Ngcukana. One is tempted to say these details are not for public consumption and if they were they would have been packaged as such. But you are entitled to your opinion. I wouldnt have thought about this the way you did. Tembelani From: Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]> To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 3:08:05 PM Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Public or Internal Discussions Comrade Tembelani Please find below a summary fo the group settings. You will also notice that the group has been up since 2006. I have also seen some contents through search engines. We must be aware that nothing on internet or cell phone or other forms of electronic communication is confidential or private. The enemy is too advanced to infiltrate these communication systems. The hardware and the software including Google which host our group is owned by th enemy. However i do not think there is anything confidential about the issues we discuss on this platform. It could only be a problem if someone participates on this platform and does not wish to be known that they hold certain views or associate with certain political movements. Maybe you should clarify the kind or nature of privacy that concerns you. As for issues i dont think there is anything we discuss on this platform which should be hidden away from the public (pro or anti- PAC) as a matter of principle. Lets discuss. alendar Documents Pan Africanist Youth Congress Groups Alerts Create a group... Photos Sites Groups Images Videos Maps News Home Discussions Pages Files About this group Edit my membership Group settings Management tasks Invite members About this group Members 345 Activity Low Description edit These is an advocacy group for pan africanism, socialism and youth development. It is engaged in policy research, policy development, advocacy, community participation, training and governance. Africa for Africans at home and abroad. 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The few Comrades I then spoke to were agogg with wonder considering the understanding we had that some within us were wise enough to create a platform in which such discussions as have unfolded for the past few years could happen. Is this an oversight or misunderstanding on my part? We are entitled to privacy as an organisation but this is not private. It has been brought to my attention that you can googlre any name that contributes to our discussions and you will get a consolidated and an updated profile of a member's inscriptions on the website. If my memory serves me well, Cde Mbara and his leadership created this platform during their term of office. Can I get some reaction from such Comrades. Tembelani -- Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. 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